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Related to the heresy of democracy is the problem of freedom. In a Righteous Republic, there is freedom to worship, but in a democracy there is the worship of freedom. In the one, there is freedom to worship God according to the Bible, and unbiblical and pagan religions are suppressed. In the other, freedom itself is worshipped, and eventually the true worship of God is suppressed.

There is a sense in which ”freedom” is a good thing. The Bible says so. But it never advocates freedom merely as freedom, or freedom for freedom’s sake. The freedom God approves of is freedom from sin and freedom to worship and obey Him. God freed Israel from Egypt, not so the Jews could sin all they wanted to, but so they could worship and obey God rather than Pharaoh. The same is true in personal salvation: God saves us and frees us, not so that we can serve sin (which is slavery) but so that we can serve Christ (which is true freedom). See how it works?

“Freedom” in a democracy, however, has a different meaning altogether from freedom in a Righteous Republic. Democratic freedom is what is shown in Judges 21:25, “Everyone did what was right in his eyes.” Such freedom means freedom to “do your own thing,” regardless of what God or the Bible says. Democratic freedom means freedom to sin, not freedom to worship God in God’s way.

Most of us would agree that tyranny, such as Marxism, is against the idea of freedom of worship. That is only partly true. Human tyranny believes in a sort of freedom of worship – the freedom to worship Man, be he the Caesar, the Pharaoh, the Furher or the State, which is Man collectivized. Human tyranny does not recognize the freedom to worship God, for such is a false religion which must be suppressed.

Most see that in tyranny. Bur I suggest that the same is true in democracy, at least as it differs from the Righteous Republic. Granted, Christians may enjoy the freedom to worship God for awhile; many do. But in principle, democracy is antithetical to true worship of God. It is schizophrenic – it is pressed between righteousness and unrighteousness, between God and Man. And it always gives in to Man and unrighteousness. Eventually, democracy becomes an opponent of the Righteous Republic, and opens the door to one of two things.

Author Unknown, The Failure of Democracy 80 Comments [9/25/2010 1:48:18 PM]
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ireadabouttheafterlife

Uh, yeah. I'll take freedom over tyranny any fucking day.

9/26/2010 7:38:28 AM

Hartti

You don't want democracy? Okay then. Bow down before me as I begin to rule the world!

...What? You thought that _you_ would get to be the king?

9/26/2010 7:41:03 AM



And those guys are the same who try to buy us the supposed attrocities that Muslims, Catholics or communists alike do to those who don't share their views.

9/26/2010 7:46:40 AM

Pule Thamex

Whoever this cretinous plonker is, one can almost hear the groveling and servile admission of worthlessness echoing round the barren wastes of his or her so-called mind. Inhumanely broached like a base plea croaked to a psychotic sky demon, its telling depths of depravity rolling interminably round a cathedral of darkness.

9/26/2010 8:12:04 AM

breakerslion

Tyranny. You keep using that word but I think you do not know what it means.

Your "Righteous Republic" is one of the basest forms of tyranny. Your god is a sock puppet. The humans that put their fist inside and make the mouth move, and then insist we all obey their demands that we believe what they say, are committing mindfuck. What greater form of tyranny can there be, but one that not only enslaves the body but the mind as well, and then, as a final insult, demands my willing participation?

Hurry up and die. Your entire rant on "the failure of democracy" is predicated on your steadfast denial of the failure of theocracy.

9/26/2010 8:30:38 AM

JSS

Um, yeah, what you refer to as freedom is what's really called fascism, or in this case, Christo-fascism. If you hate true freedom so much, maybe your kind would have been happier suffocating in one of Mussolini's mustard gas attacks?

9/26/2010 8:32:08 AM

Skyknight

It looks like "freedom", as far as de Albatrus sees the situation, is just a synonym for "capability". Likewise, to regard something as your primary guiding principle is to worship it--it's what you swore fealty to, basically. Now add in the conceit that you can only worship one thing at a time. Result: Your typical apatheist democracy/republic is "worshiping" freedom, and therefore cannot worship God as well. The stratocracy worships fear in and of itself (i.e. not as in "fear of God", which I imagine would guide them TO worship God). The theocracy/Massachusetts Bay "Righteous Republic" worships God. And so on.

I know one could argue that it's impossible for more than one thing to exist for its own sake; guess what happens when two such things end up on a collision course. But what happened to the idea of arbitration?

9/26/2010 8:57:25 AM

Pacal

So freedom is not freedom to choose but freedom to make the RIGHT (in your opinion) choice. You do realize that similar logical idiocies were used to describe communist tyrannies as free. In your absurd world religious freedom requires the supression of all pagan and unbiblical religions. May I ask just how such a thing is to be achieved without tyranny, violence and coercion?

Its obvious what you want is tyranny, violence and terror all of which would be required to create your "Righteous Republic".

9/26/2010 9:00:36 AM

Michael O'Brien

With regards to this, has anyone quoted from 1984 yet...?
Oh well, Freedom Is Slavery etc

9/26/2010 9:34:39 AM



Freedom to "Obey"?
That's not freedom.

9/26/2010 10:23:42 AM

Zeus Almighty

"The same is true in personal salvation: God saves us and frees us, not so that we can serve sin (which is slavery) but so that we can serve Christ (which is true freedom). See how it works?"

Yes, I see: "Freedom is slavery." Gotcha.

9/26/2010 10:29:38 AM

The L

1. The fact that you're calling freedom a bad thing speaks volumes about you.

2. You people still haven't succeeded at eradicating Paganism; why should I fear you?

9/26/2010 11:50:54 AM

Reverend Jeremiah

"Related to the heresy of democracy is the problem of freedom. In a Righteous Republic, there is freedom to worship, but in a democracy there is the worship of freedom. In the one, there is freedom to worship God according to the Bible, and unbiblical and pagan religions are suppressed. In the other, freedom itself is worshipped, and eventually the true worship of God is suppressed. "

What a nice way to make your intolerance look correct, righteous, and upstanding..nice way to make freedom look like tyranny and tyranny look like freedom...now fuck off you tyrannical theocratic ass wipe, you arent worth a corn in my shit!

9/26/2010 12:43:16 PM



Righteous Republic. God. And. Man! I Am The Pretentious One, who shall Save thee from thy sins. Tyranny is freedom! Religious freedom! Slavery is freedom! Ignorance is strength! War is peace! </thunderous_voice>

9/26/2010 12:47:04 PM

NavinJohnson90

AAGGGHHHH!!! There is SO much wrong with this post I wouldn't even know WHERE to begin.

I will say this though: people who vomit up this paranoid, pseudo-philosophical pyschobabble will be the downfall of humanity.

9/26/2010 6:53:31 PM

Wehpudicabok

The author is openly dominionist. This is so far gone from rational discussion, there is nothing that can be said.

9/26/2010 7:58:10 PM

The Jamo

Look, no one is forcing you to worship or not to worship. Do whatever the fuck you want. The only drawback for you is that you must, necessarily, allow people the same freedom. That's it! There's nothing more to it. If it gives you a hard-on to bow and talk to the sky then go nuts; I won't stop you. Just don't come knocking on my door with leaflets and useless propaganda, because I will shut the door. I am free to do so.

9/26/2010 10:26:56 PM

Shadoboy

So, in other words, your god is an egoist prick who only cares if people are kissing his ass. And all his "miracles" are to make sure people boost his giantic ego.

Why should we worship that monster, again?

9/26/2010 11:24:48 PM

WMDKitty

WAR IS PEACE
FREEDOM IS SLAVERY
IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH

George Orwell Award?

9/27/2010 12:59:10 AM

Brendan Rizzo

Could that be because you define God and oppression and absolute obedience to the priests?

Anyway, this is proof that Christian fundies want theocracy. Proof.

As someone who was once a Christian, I hate these kinds of people with every fiber of my being even more than the atheist commeters do. Instead of promoting good, they want evil, and make it seem like the entire group of Christians are ignorant fuckwits who hate freedom and all that is good. And if they succeeded in eliminating freedom of religion, they would no longer be protected by law and then if some other religion came to power and persecuted them, I would feel no sympathy whatsoever for them.

Don't get me wrong, I would protect the non-fundie Christians and even the fundie ones who aren't this batshit insane, if they were actually persecuted, but since this guy insists on being the next Hitler, I'd just let him die.

It's people like YOU, Author Unknown, who make all Americans look bad. I for one am tired of hearing smug Europeans go on about how they're better than us because they don't have to worry about fundies in politics. Every fundamentalist Christian who insists on denying reality and basic human decency lowers the perception of America in the eyes of foreign countries. I refuse to be associated with that any longer. Get the fuck out of my country.

9/27/2010 6:19:09 AM

Anon-e-moose

Well, at least fundies (a la 'Author Unknown') are honest about their hatred of Freedom.

So what are they doing living in countries with socio-political systems they claim to hate so much?

Further proof of what I say: Hypocrisy, thy name is Fundie.

9/27/2010 7:25:36 AM

Doubting Thomas

In the one, there is freedom to worship God according to the Bible, and unbiblical and pagan religions are suppressed. In the other, freedom itself is worshipped, and eventually the true worship of God is suppressed.

In other words: We need to keep forcing people to worship God or else people will stop worshiping him. In a free society, people have the choice to worship or not. The fact that people aren't religious isn't because God is somehow being suppressed, it's just that they aren't all bible-banging idiots like those lamenting how people aren't worshiping God enough. But in a country that's roughly 80% Christian and guarantees freedom of religion, I fail to see how God is being suppressed at all.

It's just totally ironic how this person claims that tyranny is a bad thing, but yet is in favor of restricting freedom in favor of forced religion.

9/27/2010 10:15:18 AM

Mister Spak

At least he's honest about his hatred of traditional American values.

9/27/2010 2:34:48 PM

asd

i don't think he's wrong

the question is, which do you prefer?

he seems to be on the crazy scary side

9/28/2010 2:26:27 AM

simanos

In a Righteous Republic freedom worships YOU! :p

9/29/2010 8:28:21 AM
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