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Cat of Many Faces
>>We try very hard to procreate with each other -we have sex with each other quite often... AND we love each other...
You just know the fundy was touching himself when he typed this...
9/30/2010 6:32:09 PM
From a Libertarian perspective, judges do not make rights or grant rights to citizens. Rights are assumed to be pre-existing, up until the point that one's actions violate the rights of another, at which point a judge acts as an arbiter between two or more citizens to determine whose rights have been violated and what the legal repercussions should be. A judge does not have the power to declare anyone a "family." If that were the case, then a judge with racist leanings could decree that mixed race couples are not "families," or that a single mom and a child does not constitute a "family" because it falls outside of the traditional one man, one woman definition, or that adoptive families are not "families" since they are not biological in nature, or that grandparents who take in an orphaned grandchild do not constitute a family.
9/30/2010 7:09:02 PM
Also, what about infertile couples that adopt? They have sex often, but cannot procreate, and are thereby "trying hard [to do?] the impossible and destined to failure" by your definition.
9/30/2010 7:12:13 PM
Also, a child raised by a gay couple would presumably have the same rights as a child raised by a straight couple. Legally speaking, a child's rights usually kick in during cases of abuse, etc. If a gay couple were beating their child, the child would have the same ability to appeal to those rights (via an attorney or social worker) as any other child would have. Generally speaking, for better or for worse children are not generally recognized as having the right to choose who their parents are (otherwise 65% of us would have split by the age of 16, even if our parents were the nicest folks on earth). If you don't like that, you're certainly welcome to propose legislation recognizing the right of children to choose their parents. I don't think that will fly, though. If your parents are generally decent, you're stuck with them - at least until the age of 18 (and hopefully longer if you realize your parents are actually pretty damn cool, as I did). :)
So what about the rights of the child, Mr Judge...?
9/30/2010 7:13:47 PM
Man: My wife is sterile. We want to have a child, but can only do so via adoption.
Judge: Uh, if you REALLY wanted a child, you'd find someone else to sleep with. NEXT CASE.
Woman: Hi, judge. My husband and I want to adopt a child because we both grew up in the foster care system, and we--
Judge: Can you have children naturally?
Woman: Uh... yes, but we'd rather adopt an already-living child so they don't--
Judge: Well, if you're capable of reproducing, don't adopt. NEXT CASE!
Woman #2: My husband and I are both sterile and want to ado--
Judge: Do you still have sex?
Woman #2: I... what?
Judge: Do you still have sex? With your husband?
Woman #2: Well... yes... but...
Judge: So you're a crazy person who still tries to make a baby via sex even though you know it's impossible? Ugh. NEXT CASE!
Woman #2: But... we do it for pleasure...
Judge: You're sicker than I thought! Sex for pleasure? Get out of my courtroom. NEXT CASE!
See the problem with that logic?
9/30/2010 7:47:49 PM
9/30/2010 8:35:50 PM
Trying hard the impossible and destined to failure is worthy
HOW IS BABBY FORMED???
9/30/2010 9:07:53 PM
THE JUDICIAL SYSTEM DOES NOT WORK THAT WAY!
9/30/2010 10:21:18 PM
I think the problem I have is that a single guy, can go and adopt a child with no problem, but the minute its two guys it's all perverse and an abomination.
Seriously, if its illegal for gay couples to adopt a child what is stopping one member of the gay couple from adopting the child by themselves and then the two just living together? It is so retarded, it makes my brain hurt.
9/30/2010 11:23:54 PM
Wow, that was really infantile.
9/30/2010 11:37:38 PM
DOS Et Al
Good Satire. If gays want children they should you know, NOT be gay. Other wise ACCEPT and live with the fact that biologically, you CANT have children. And they certainly shouldnt get them just because they are "loving". Any child whith two "dads" would neverhave a fair chance to have his sexual orientation develop naturally. If youve seen gay rights advocates you know they gays will try to creat more gays or influnce more gays. BTW the GAY GENE hasnt been proven 100 % true yet so...yeah. environment does play a role.
10/1/2010 12:57:05 AM
@ DOS --
Let's see...shall we turn this into a list?
1) Dude, the only way I'm going to be able to perform with a woman is by the "close your eyes and think of Naveen Andrews" method; and that just wouldn't be respectful towards the natural sexuality of anyone involved, let alone make me straight.
2) I'm quite biologically capable of reproducing; I may even do so at a later point, though it would probably involve providing a "donation" to another couple likewise unable to reproduce alone.
3) There have been studies done of children raised by same-sex couples. There's no difference in the rate of different sexual orientations -- kids are just less likely to stay in the closet and stew in self-hate.
10/1/2010 1:21:18 AM
@ shykid "How does one even respond to something so obtuse?"
That's the exact problem I have with much that comes from a fundy viewpoint. They say things that ignite a rage inside. I would like to point out how wrong they are but then I realise that I can't point out any particular flaw in their statements because there's nothing to latch onto as a well enough formed idea to target. I think it's probably the ADD that makes it difficult to focus enough to tease their incite-full messes apart.
10/1/2010 2:06:53 AM
@ DOS Et Al
"If gays want children they should you know, NOT be gay. Other wise ACCEPT and live with the fact that biologically, you CANT have children.
Hey DOSsy, hows things going for all your pals over at loser-shy? Of course gays can have children-it's you love-shy "incels" that cant because the only thing you ever shag is your hand, and biologically shagging hands never produces offspring!
10/1/2010 4:24:16 AM
TWO FUNDIES: We killed those two sodomites because god told us to.
JUDGE: Life without parole....Next case...
10/1/2010 4:47:14 AM
This isn't straw, and anyone who says it is doesn't understand the meaning.
We are arguing EXACTLY what the "Two men" in this comic are saying.
10/1/2010 4:55:51 AM
So, by this logic:
JUDGE: You man and an infertile woman want to adopt and raise a boy?
MAN AND WOMAN: Yes, your honor, we want to create a family.
JUDGE: Create a family?
MAN AND WOMAN: Yes, your honor, we desire it -it is our right.
JUDGE: Hmmmm... What about the rights of the child?
MAN AND WOMAN: As a man and a woman that want a family we feel we know best what a child requires and can provide it because we really want a family and without us a child will go unwanted without a family.
JUDGE: So you want a family? You need a child to make a family? YET you claim you provide the child a family?
MAN AND WOMAN: Well, we do love each other. Love will find a way...
JUDGE: Why should the State give a man and a woman a child when the man and a woman claim to want a child YET do not want a child enough to procreate with a woman that can have children? Seems abnormal to me...
MAN AND WOMAN: Well your honor we are normal -psychologists have declared it true. We try very hard to procreate with each other -we have sex with each other quite often... AND we love each other...
JUDGE: OH -that makes sense... I guess you really do want children. Trying hard the impossible and destined to failure is worthy and should be rewarded. I now pronounce you a family... Next case...
10/1/2010 5:05:21 AM
The same could be applied to VIRTUALLY everybody who wants to adopt. Your point?
10/1/2010 10:30:32 AM
You know, the thing I find most infuriating with this is that adoption should not be deemed inferior to actually conceiving a child. That's the assumption that this entire argument rests on.
Fuck you. There's children all over that need a loving family and personal attention.
10/1/2010 12:23:25 PM
The Lazy One
Er... did you get understanding of gay people from m-preg slash fanficton? Because gay people don't usually have sex to procreate in the real world... in M-preg Land, sure, but not here on terra firma.
10/2/2010 10:15:26 AM
Thank God that asshats like you will never be judges then.
What's so wrong about adopting? Oh sure, that kid'll be happier at the orphanage!
10/2/2010 10:08:21 PM
How I understood judidical system?
10/4/2010 3:13:51 AM
It made sense in the beginning, I knew that if it will go wrong it will be mindbendingly stupid
10/4/2010 1:22:49 PM
You know what? This gave me an utterly brilliant idea. Instead of having gay people being the ones speaking favor of Gay Adoption, why don't we get the orphans out there who haven't been adopted to tell lawmakers to allow it, as they want a family? Seriously, any lawmaker who votes against it will literally be crushing the hopes and dreams of orphans.
8/28/2011 10:48:11 AM
Hmm...I was adopted by gay parents and I turned out alright. Unless graduating top of my class is considered a failure.
2/12/2012 10:34:43 AM
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