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"Atheists tend to be selfish bastards, as we see clearly in many of the posts here. Hence the tendency of encountering athiests as single non-parents.

You're missing the point regarding the lack of "controls". If you eliminated the married folks from consideration (or separated them), there would be a stronger bias for suicide among atheists who have no family.

This 2004 study isn't dated at all, and remains quite interesting since there have been no other studies.

How laughable it is to read the bravado of the atheists here. Their overconfidence will not serve them well in the end.

It's quite simple: The typical atheist could care less about God or their fellow man. The rejection of God leaves him with nothing in the moment of severe mental crisis. Having nothing, he wants to become nothing. Persistent doubt now culminates in despairing agony. But there is no God to pull him out. Ignorance was bliss, but now it becomes excruciating pain. Once strong in his freedom, he now finds himself pitifully weak.

In denying God, he denies spirituality. Since he denies his soul and the possibility of spiritual assistance from God, it is quite simply unavailable to him as he contemplates suicide.

There is nothing to lean on, since the atheist denies the Power that established him and sustains him. He's on his own. But the darkness is black. Black. It is cold and terribly lonely.

This is the sickness unto death. But death is not the end. There shall be a reckoning."

John Ladder, Theology Online 76 Comments [10/1/2010 6:49:38 AM]
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Higgs Boson

Well, that was a very nice essay about how YOU would react to losing your faith. But the assumption that everyone else would fall into a pit of despair too is self-centered to say the least.

10/1/2010 6:54:29 AM

bobby

for us atheists "losing god" is like you "losing intelligence"... as far as we are concerned it was never there in the first place

10/1/2010 7:03:29 AM

JoeJoe

Yes, because the best solution to a "severe mental crisis" is to believe in an invisible sky god...

()

For me, believing in the good of humanity and
society does more for my fellow man than telling him how his way of life is wrong "cause he doesn't believe in god."

10/1/2010 7:05:53 AM

Serph-no-Okami

That's... not how any atheist I know, including myself, thinks about things. Trying to see things from another point of view isn't the strong point in fundies now is it?

10/1/2010 7:14:59 AM

Toothygrin

"The typical atheist could care less about God or their fellow man [...] In denying God, he denies spirituality"

Utterly wrong. You use God/religion to fill your need of spirituality. We use the care of our fellow man and love of humanity to fill our need of spirituality.

Spirituality takes on many forms, religion being just one of them. We are every bit as spiritual when we appreciate the beauty of nature, the love a parent shows to his or her child, and the wonders of science as you are when you ponder the mysteries of your religion.

[edit: somewhat ninjar'd by JoeJoe] :)

10/1/2010 7:17:26 AM

Pule Thamex

Oh dear! What can the matter be? I've slid into a pit of despair. I have become enfeebled by the very thought of my impending severe mental crisis. These is desperate times. There is only one thing to do. I must concentrate. mnnghh! uuhaaghuuh! Done it! Whew! that took a bit of doing. But I'm safe now. My vitality and my spirituality have been restored. My depression has gone. I feel positively blissful. My soul is bubbling. My farts smell of invisible rainbows. Oops! Hang on a tick. Take it down a notch. nngh! There. That's better. Sorry. My euphoria was getting the better of me.

So, what have I done? How have I solved my overconfidence and loss of soul? Easy. I concentrated hard. Very, very hard. And. POOF! All of a sudden I now believe in an invisible sky fairy. I believe in persecuting everybody who doesn't believe as I do. And I believe in constantly whining about being persecuted by everyone who doesn't believe as I do. I am now quite fond of telling lies and willfully engaging in deceit. I've become a violent, superstitious and barbaric misogynist, a bigot, and a racist. I now believe any old bollocks that some pedophile jerk in a dog collar tells me. Yes sir. Everything is now sweetness and light. Saved at last. Hallelujah!

PS. I ain't half looking forward to peering down from my blissful station in heaven at all the naughty people in hell enduring their eternal torture.

10/1/2010 7:19:35 AM

D Laurier

"Atheists tend to be selfish bastards, as we see clearly in many of the posts here."

Bill Gates, of the Bill Gates Foundation, donates more to charity than you can earn in your lifetime.

Many of the social justice protesters, who risk injury and possible death at the hands of the pigs, are atheists. They offer up their very lives to protect you from oppression and injustice.

Atheists have a VERY high rate of volunteerism. They tend to contribute more to the comunity than any other group.

You were saying.....

10/1/2010 7:22:02 AM

Swede

Not having children might well be a very selfless decision. If you feel that you would not be a good parent, then you should refrain from forcing yourself as parent onto a child.

If you break up families there would be more suicides among people who had no family? What are you saying?

And again with the "could care less" when you mean "couldn't care less". Stupid git!
Not caring about God does not mean you don't care about your fellow man.
In a moment of severe mental crisis I go to my family, or my friends. They are really there for me, and can give me a hug or advice, or just be there.
I do not have nothing, I have many people in my life.

An atheist does not doubt, an agnostic doubts.

That is what YOU would feel if you realized there is no God. That is not what people who are secure and happy in their atheism feel.

10/1/2010 7:40:14 AM

Helena

But fundamentalist marriages are far more likely tho end in divorce than those between atheists. And look at that stalwart champion of family values, Newt Gingrich, divorcing his wife while she was in the hospital dying of cancer so he could marry his mistress. Clearly the will of God!

10/1/2010 7:47:25 AM



There is nothing to lean on, since the atheist denies the Power that established him and sustains him. He's on his own. But the darkness is black. Black. It is cold and terribly lonely.

I've never felt this "power". It's never been seen, nor measured in any way, shape, or form outside of the minds of theists. It sustains nothing, certainly not me. I have to sustain myself in my own way.
Your outside "power" does not exist. You argument has no foundation.

Crap! Forgot my name.

Berny

10/1/2010 7:47:45 AM



Is it weird, that the thing that annoys me the most about this post, is that he says, that atheists COULD care less about god or their fellow man. The phrase is couldn't care less, don't make me go David Mitchell on your arse.

10/1/2010 7:52:29 AM

dionysus

Yeah, I can't tell you the number of times I've committed suicide just to fulfill my selfish desire to...umm...kill myself. And you're right, it's impossible for an atheist to care about other people if he doesn't believe that a magic man is watching him masturbate; it's practically a scientific law. All that charity work I (and other atheists) have done is just a ruse so that we can bring people to Satan who, by the way, we all work for. My turn ons include kicking puppies, lighting babies on fire, and long walks on the beach.

10/1/2010 7:55:58 AM

The L

I'm not even an atheist, and I still want to hit this guy with the Clue-By-Four.

10/1/2010 7:57:31 AM

London Jew

Damn, I'm a married parent (grandparent, even) ... and I was so hoping to take up being a selfish bastard when I retire. Hey ho, I suppose I'll just have to carry on caring about people.

10/1/2010 8:09:39 AM

Matante

Gah, people tying suicide to selfishness disgust me! When someone feels miserable enough to want to die (or risk injury to "earn" help) it is serious business, and you can't guilt somebody out of depression!
John, you are making christians sound like terrible, sadistic and irresponsible people. You should wonder about your god indeed, I'm not sure if he's happy to be associated with your brand of evil.

10/1/2010 8:33:27 AM

TGRwulf

"The typical atheist could care less about God or their fellow man"

You have it backwards. Not fighting over higher powers makes you care MORE for your fellow man.

10/1/2010 8:39:21 AM



Disregarding for a moment the veracity of this drivel - it apparently has none - how considerate of your fellow human beings is it to crow over what you perceive to be their despair?

10/1/2010 8:59:24 AM

werewolf

Personally, I couldn't care less about any god.

My fellow man? I care a lot about them as individuals. In a group, not so much.

10/1/2010 9:01:46 AM

Brendan Rizzo

Atheists in foxholes, bitch.

10/1/2010 9:06:49 AM

Doubting Thomas

I love how these fundies presume to psychoanalyze me without even knowing me.

When I finally realized that religion was bunk and there's most likely no god, it felt like a huge weight was lifted off my shoulders, I finally felt unshackled, I started caring more about my fellow man and less about who he's having sex with. I could finally understand the universe and life in general without it having to fit a rigid religious view. I could finally stop inventing reasons why prayer didn't work or how the bible was all true. I could stop feeling guilty about not going to church or not wanting to go to church every week.

In short, I'm far happier now.

10/1/2010 9:09:14 AM

Thinking Allowed

This 2004 study isn't dated at all, and remains quite interesting since there have been no other studies.


10/1/2010 9:23:09 AM

Joe Mama

Since he denies his soul and the possibility of spiritual assistance from God, it is quite simply unavailable to him as he contemplates suicide.

How much you want to bet there have been numerous Christians who have committed suicide without receiving comfort from the possibility of spiritual assistance from God?

There is nothing to lean on, since the atheist denies the Power that established him and sustains him. He's on his own. But the darkness is black. Black. It is cold and terribly lonely.

Are you really going to claim that no Christians have ever been depressed? Or if they were, they got over it by believing harder in God?

10/1/2010 9:30:22 AM

werewolf

Interesting that John Ladder expects to win points through bad poetry.


10/1/2010 9:38:06 AM

anti-nonsense

Well obviously, I don't care about your god, cause I don't believe he exists. But I do in fact care about other people. I have a very close knit family, the majority of which is not religious, I have a social conscience

And I don't plan on having biological children, because the population is too big already, instead I shall adopt children from a poor nation, and give them a better chance at living a happy and fulfilling life.

10/1/2010 10:08:04 AM

breakerslion

The existential void does not work that way.

As I have said a million times, if I want to know how an atheist thinks or what an atheist feels, I'll ask a Christian Fundtard. I wish atheists as a group could sue these bastards for libel. They natter on, preaching to their choir with utter bullshit punditry. Classic ad hom, strawman, and slippery slope fallacies that the ignorant will lap up like a kitten with a saucer of cream.

Yes, I deny spirituality. If it were real, why would you have to sell it so hard and so incessantly? We are bombarded with this mythos without one shred of the proof that we are conveniently not supposed to ask for.

10/1/2010 10:12:24 AM
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