Quote# 76511

[In response to Pastor Eddie Long being accused of sexual coercion]

When our Men and Women of he Pulpit(s) are accussed (whether innocent or guilty) of these ludicrous acts it always invokes a negative view if the Gospel of Jesus Christ... This is an example of persecution whether it be media driven or whether our Christian leaders bring it on themselves...

In Christ, RR 66 Comments [10/3/2010 4:11:16 AM]
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Fundamentalists...so selfless that they're always thinking of themselves.

10/3/2010 4:22:05 AM

Cid Highwind

"Whether innocent or guilty"? So even if he did it, no one should accuse him of it because it'd be persecution? Am I understanding this right? o_O

10/3/2010 4:24:45 AM


If it were any ordinary person being accused of such acts, everyone would be demanding their incarceration if not worse. Yet every time a member of the clergy comes out and admits to the facts, there are always people, not just fundies, who try to excuse them. I see it far too often now with the sex scandals in the Roman Catholic Church and it's frankly sickening. Giving those people not only a position of power but even one where they aren't even held accountable is one of the main reasons these things happen, yet people refuse to see it. Grah...

10/3/2010 4:24:53 AM


If they bring it on themselves, it isn't persecution. It's righteous fucking anger at the sleazy slime-bags that pose and posture as "Christian leaders."

10/3/2010 4:41:49 AM


I know nothing about Pastor Long, and it appears the matter is sub judice, so I cannot comment on the particular case.

In a general sense, fundyism does seem to expect believers to hand over the souls, and even their bodies, to the church and its preachers. It denies individual rights if these in any way conflict with the aims and goals of the fundy organisation. It is not too far a step to the abuse of the power that this mindset bestows on 'church' leaders. It even goes to the extremes of Jonestown and Waco. The wonder is that the kind of brainwashing that is encountered in some fundy circles is not proscribed by law - or is it? Or if it is, then why is the law not applied?

10/3/2010 4:49:01 AM


@Cid: Indeed you are. If a major Christian figure does something wrong, then the media only draws attention to it to "persecute" Christians and their religion. It has absolutely nothing to do with, y'know, the heinousness of that particular individual's crimes or anything like that. It's all part of a smear campaign against Christians everywhere, nothing else.

Christian fundies look for ways they're "persecuted", because they believe their Holy book says they're going to be persecuted in the "end times". Thing is, in the United States, Christianity is still accepted and catered to far more than any other religion, so they invariably end up looking like delusional jackasses when they try to play the religious-persecution card.

10/3/2010 5:05:02 AM


You don't need criminal (or even sexual) acts on the part of the clergy to invoke a negative view if the gospels....

10/3/2010 5:12:51 AM


So when, for example, Catholic priests were molesting small children, it was a conspiracy by the media to persecute Christians?

o_O HUH??

10/3/2010 5:13:03 AM


I think this is the closest we've come to a fundie admitting that their view of persecution is "not being able to get away with whatever they want".

10/3/2010 5:17:34 AM

D Laurier

What the fuck?
Hullo In Christ... Did you just call for clerical abuse to be covered up?
It sure looks like it from this angle.

10/3/2010 5:29:37 AM


Oh my fucking god, do you fucktards even understand what the word "persecution" even means?

10/3/2010 5:40:21 AM

Cid Highwind


Huh, I was afraid I actually did get that right, and you confirmed it. Those people are nutjobs.

10/3/2010 5:40:32 AM


@shykid: Yeah, you've hit the nail on the head when it comes to fundies and their desire to be persecuted. Quite frankly, I'd like to see it actually happen; I've been reading the history of the early church, and it was a group of people who actually followed the message of the Gospel and helped others, because they lacked any other sort of power.

I think the church might do well to go back to that.

10/3/2010 5:43:55 AM

Gordon Godsboy

Obviously, since you are a wise Rapture Readian, I must agree with your assertion in these matters since you are scripturally in advance of most of the population of the world. If Rapture Ready or a Rapture Readian says that the Men and Women of their Pulpit wish to coerce people in to having sex with them, no matter what their age, then it is right that they should be allowed to do so. If the media report on any criminal wrong doing by your Men and Women of the Pulpit, then the media are a plaything of Satan. For goodness sake, they are Christian leaders, their victims are merely demonic puppets who should be exorcised. The media must be made to spin in Christianity's favour in order that your Men and Women of the Pulpit can ravage at their ease without undue hindrance and petty interference.

This unconscionable attitude is giving the public at large the wrong idea of the utter atrociousness of Christianity. I think Rapture Ready and its leaders should mount a strong campaign of support for wicked pastors and pedophile preachers, particularly when it involves homosexual pedophilia, and show the public just how truly atrocious Christians can be.

10/3/2010 5:47:43 AM

Pule Thamex

Don't be too downhearted, In Christ. I've got some very cool persecution for you. Hopefully, that'll make the rapture sooner than even soon. OK, I know what you're thinking, "What's a few million years when we're talking billions". Well, OK. But, if we can get millions of people to persecute you, then maybe we can knock a few billion years off. Hey! I've got a brilliant idea. Why not set up a chapter of Rapture Ready in Saudi Arabia. You're sure to get bags of genuine fist-class persecution there. No? Well, it's just that your too comfortable in America. You're not likely to be persecuted as you'd like to be.

Oh well. Just a thought. Now on with my persecution.

1) Men and women of your Pulpit who are sexual predators are criminal arseholes.

2) God's a genocidal maniac. (Well, He would be if He existed).

3) Rapture Readyians are drooling morons.

4) Rapture Ready supports criminal pastors.

Hope that helps for now, but I gotta go. No doubt I'll see you later.

10/3/2010 6:13:59 AM


so prosecuting the guilty is persecution ?

10/3/2010 6:28:10 AM

Table Rock

So whenever a Christian leader does something wrong, their association with Christianity is merely coincidental and unintentional.

10/3/2010 6:34:14 AM


Oh, right, Jebus jebus jebus, thus we are above the law and all scrutiny.


10/3/2010 6:38:39 AM


It's persecution if a priest violates a little boy, gets caught and goes to jail?
Nice view you have of the justice system, In Christ!

10/3/2010 6:43:47 AM


Yes, because if as Dawkins put it they are "buggering boys" (or girls) when the media talks about the priest, Rabbi, minister, whatever being arrested and brought up on criminal charges it's because it's persecution rather than the media bringing attention to how someone who was in a position of power and traumatized victims for life.

10/3/2010 6:58:45 AM

Jezebel's Evil Sister

Apparently, fundies think that gay sex is only a sin when it's between consenting adults.

10/3/2010 7:26:22 AM

So now preachers persecute themselves by breaking the law? Wat?

10/3/2010 7:29:40 AM

Percy Q. Shunn

Yep, us non-christians just made it all up!

10/3/2010 7:39:19 AM


Nothing new here, while condemning the Catholic churchs for hiding pedefolias from justice they argue special protections for their own leaders.

Remember Haggard Farwell the Bakers and others? The flock pleaded in each case for no press, prosecution or even investigation of improper behavior, further proof they care nothing for truth but only support the fantasy

10/3/2010 7:45:54 AM


So shining the light of truth on evangelicals constitutes persecution...

10/3/2010 8:30:58 AM

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