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Actually, no, no faith predates Christianity, contrary to the many lies of our liberal media, classrooms (of all "educational" levels... please note the quotation marks), pop culture, consensus thought, etc., and as usual, yahoo! news is a joke. This type of nonsense is no different than the nonsense that I heard in college, i.e. from my Sociology professor, someone I had a lot of exchanges with.

Truth is absolute, not relative, not subjective, not dependent upon an aforementioned consensus/status quo or time frame. Truth never changes and is absolutely parallel in all cases.

Christianity is the true faith, and please note the definite article. Don't take my word at face value, though; seek the truth. God has given us the faculties of reason and wisdom. Indeed, use them. You will know-- not assume-- the truth if you do indeed seek it, and since God created the universe, don't tell me that any false faith that originated after the fact somehow predates Christianity. You can't predate the true faith.

When I was four, I stood in church, looked around, thought I was in the right place, but wondered how I could know. I sought the truth and found it. I unfortunately left the faith at one point but thankfully returned.

Anyone wanting to continue this conversation can reach me at <email address removed>.

RonaldM, Yahoo!  86 Comments [10/7/2010 3:56:08 AM]
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"Atheism is the true lack of faith, and please note the definite article. Don't take my word at face value, though; seek the truth. God did not give us the faculties of reason and wisdom, we already had them from the beginning. Indeed, use them. You will know-- not assume-- the truth if you do indeed seek it, and since God did not create the universe, don't tell me that any lack of faith that originated after the fact somehow predates Atheism. You can't predate the true lack of faith."

10/7/2010 4:17:54 AM

Canadia

Only a sith deals in absolutes.

10/7/2010 4:19:11 AM

Fedup

Um.. even in Christian doctrine, the Jewish faith pre dates Christianity

10/7/2010 4:22:15 AM

Horus IX

Um...My family and I would like to have a talk with you. Set XIII and Anubis XXI aren't too happy with you. And don't even get me started on Osiris I and Isis III...Shit even the Jews want to have a word with you. So do the Greeks. Fuck...you just pissed off a lot people with your arrogant and made up bullshit. Kindly die in a fire, and quickly, so your genetic material can never be passed on.

10/7/2010 4:33:18 AM

Graveluster

I sought the truth in Atheism and found it. Therefore, Atheism is the true path. :D

10/7/2010 4:34:11 AM



As Moses said, "Jesus Christ, this is fucking stupid."

10/7/2010 4:53:23 AM

TGRwulf

Christian faith predates Christianity?

Come again??

10/7/2010 4:55:22 AM



History fail. So, so much fail.

10/7/2010 5:14:58 AM

TB


Islam is the true faith, and please note the definite article. Don't take my word at face value, though; seek the truth. Allah has given us the faculties of reason and wisdom. Indeed, use them. You will know-- not assume-- the truth if you do indeed seek it, and since Allah created the universe, don't tell me that any false faith that originated after the fact somehow predates Islam. You can't predate the true faith.

10/7/2010 5:21:31 AM

Mister Spak

The koran proves christianity is a lie. And nobody has ever proved the koran wrong.

10/7/2010 5:36:14 AM

KittyKaboom

Judaism, Hinduism, Buddhism...shall I go on, or do you accept that your ridiculous argument is completely full of shit?

10/7/2010 5:48:19 AM

Gilgamesh

Me and my buddy Enkidu would like a word with you...

10/7/2010 5:51:51 AM

Starscream

Mr T is the true faith, and please note the definite article. Don't take my word at face value, though; seek the truth. Mr T has given fools the faculties of pity and beatings. Indeed, avoid them. You will know-- not assume-- the truth if you do indeed seek it, and since Mr T created the universe, don't tell me that any false faith that originated after the fact somehow predates Mr T. You can't predate the true faith.


So quit yo' jibba-jabba!

10/7/2010 6:02:33 AM

Doubting Thomas

no faith predates Christianity

Except maybe Judaism, from which Christianity came from. And don't forget all the other religions which existed far more than 2,000 years ago.

Christianity is the true faith, and please note the definite article. Don't take my word at face value, though; seek the truth.

Been there, done that, came up with a different truth.

I sought the truth and found it.

In other words, you knew what you wanted to believe and found evidence to support it, while ignoring all evidence to the contrary. And if you're four years old, you're more likely to just believe what your parents tell you rather than use critical thinking skills.

10/7/2010 6:15:52 AM

GigaGuess

Except...y'know...the Jews who wrote the Old Testament you stapled your Holy Text onto...

10/7/2010 6:19:15 AM

dionysus

Actually, no, no faith predates Christianity, contrary to the many lies of our liberal media

Um, even the conservative media outlets like Fox aren't stupid enough to think that no other faith predates Christianity.

classrooms (of all "educational" levels... please note the quotation marks)

Gee, I never would have noticed them until you pointed them out [/sarcasm] (note the [/sarcasm]). And while public education isn't perfect it does a fuck of a lot better than fundie homescooling as demonstrated beautifully by you.

pop culture

Lolwut? Pop culture is NOT where we get our information about history.

consensus thought

True, a bunch of people believing the same thing doesn't make it true (see anything fundamentalist Christians believe for example). However, a scientific consensus works differently in that they base their conclusions on the very best evidence available and while that means we can never be 100% certain of anything it does allow us to have the best conclusion available at the time and allows us to correct ourselves when future evidence proves us wrong, unlike fundamentalist Christianity.

Christianity is the true faith, and please note the definite article. Don't take my word at face value, though

Oh, you don't have to worry about me doing that.

seek the truth

I am, have done so, and will do so. But so far I haven't found any gods.

God has given us the faculties of reason and wisdom. Indeed, use them.

I agree that we have reason and should use it but you need to demonstrate that a god created it. And wisdom comes from experience and isn't something everyone automatically has.

since God created the universe, don't tell me that any false faith that originated after the fact somehow predates Christianity. You can't predate the true faith.

Even if I take everything you said as a given, a faith takes people to have it and I'm sure nobody believed in Jesus before he (allegedly) came down to Earth and at the very least Judaism predated Christianity. Now, looking beyond your assumptions, we have hard evidence that various pagan religions predated Christianity and even Judaism by quite some time.

When I was four, I stood in church, looked around, thought I was in the right place, but wondered how I could know.

Hmmmm, it's funny because when Muslims walk into a mosque it too somehow "just feels right" to them. Same with Jews and synagogues or Buddhists and Buddhist temples. Odd how the predominant religion in a given culture usually "just feels right" to the people that live in that culture. Why, it's almost as if it's a learned response.

10/7/2010 6:21:34 AM

Jack Bauer

Ronald M...

Ronald MacDonald?

Fucking clown...

10/7/2010 6:25:34 AM

Karlsbad

Funny, my gut tells me that organized religion is in general a bad thing. In fact, my gut also tells me that any kind of assertion of metaphysical truth is bullshit. I sought the truth, and in the end found that there was no truth to find. I found that "truth" is a concept limited to logical propositions, and that outside of that context it becomes a desperate attempt by scared people to view the universe as ordered and structured rather than meaningless and chaotic.

10/7/2010 6:30:10 AM

aaa

I don't think you know how the truth works. Try again and this time, read a book and put down your crack pipe.

10/7/2010 6:37:23 AM

The Wild One, Forever

Hey! My submission was accepted!

I love that he thinks no faith predates Christianity, not even Judaism, from which Christianity was born.

I've seen several people comment on this, so just so everyone knows, I am not the one who removed RonaldM's email address. I'd have happily left it in . . . for laughs.

10/7/2010 6:42:58 AM

Mudak

I agree that truth never changes and is absolutely parallel in all cases.

Do I need to start rattling off places where the bible contradicts itself? Shall we start with the ten commandments changing from Exodus 20 to Exodus 34? How about Jesus's lineage? It's described completely differently between Mark and Luke.

I'm too tired right now to list others.... Anyone else want to pick up the slack?

10/7/2010 6:43:26 AM



So... judaism?

10/7/2010 6:55:19 AM

Horsefeathers

"Actually, no, no faith predates Christianity, contrary to the many lies of our liberal media, classrooms (of all "educational" levels... please note the quotation marks), pop culture, consensus thought, etc."

The Hindu's would probably disagree considering theirs is the oldest continually practiced religion still in existence, having started somewhere around 6k+ years ago.

"This type of nonsense is no different than the nonsense that I heard in college, i.e. from my Sociology professor, someone I had a lot of exchanges with."

Professors must really get tired of having some blockhead such as yourself tell them that they're wrong about something when the professor has likely been studying the field longer than you've been alive.

"Truth is absolute, not relative, not subjective, not dependent upon an aforementioned consensus/status quo or time frame. Truth never changes and is absolutely parallel in all cases."

Define this "truth" you speak of.

"Christianity is the true faith, and please note the definite article. Don't take my word at face value, though; seek the truth."

I do. I've yet to find any trace of it in any religion I've examined.

"God has given us the faculties of reason and wisdom. Indeed, use them. You will know-- not assume-- the truth if you do indeed seek it, and since God created the universe, don't tell me that any false faith that originated after the fact somehow predates Christianity. You can't predate the true faith."

You don't seem particularly well informed.

"When I was four, I stood in church, looked around, thought I was in the right place, but wondered how I could know. I sought the truth and found it. I unfortunately left the faith at one point but thankfully returned."

You found "the truth" at the age of four? There's no way you found "truth" of any sort at that age. At four years old, Sesame Street is still a completely plausible reality to you.

10/7/2010 7:00:45 AM

Brenz

Please explain how in demonstrable, quantifiable terms or GTFO.

10/7/2010 7:13:41 AM

Brendan Rizzo

First off, while saying that no religion predates Christianity is obviously a Critical Research Failure, this guy is not the first person to make such a claim. The idea goes back at least to the noncanonical Epistle of Barnabas, written in the second century. (We should be grateful that this book didn't make it into the canon (it nearly did) because then every fundie everywhere would believe it.)

Secondly, yes truth is absolute, in the sense that scientific facts (such as gravity, for instance) are always true no matter what any ideology (*cough* THE BIBLE *cough*) says. (I'm not gonna nitpick quantum mechanics here, as even that follows unbreakable rules.)

Third, God has given us the faculties of reason and wisdom, you say? If that is true, then as we have already agreed on the fact that truth cannot contradict truth, then it should be possible to use reason, which you claim is given to us by God, to arrive at the truth. Because nature and its laws cannot lie, by defintion as they are inanimate, then by studying nature humans can determine the truth without being misled by lies created by humans. Because God created nature, according to you, this is another way of discovering God's truth. The way nature is studied is by science, which has been proven to be unbiased. Thus, absolutely anyone who denies the findings of science because of what their holy book says is going against the truth as revealed by God and is thus not a true believer. You have just destroyed your own argument.

I love my new extra-strength irony meter!

10/7/2010 7:14:03 AM
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