Members of a local student-oriented Catholic parish received an e-mail last week urging them to boycott the New York Pizza Depot on East William Street because of a gay pride rainbow sicker on its front door.
The sticker has upset some people, including Andrew Shirvell, an NYPD customer and member of St. Mary’s Student Parish, located down the street from NYPD.
Shirvell, a University alumnus and former president of Students for Life, said the sticker is offensive because it endorses homosexuality instead of simply tolerating it.
“I find the rainbow flag offensive because it is a symbol of the homosexual movement that, in my opinion, indicates a validation of the homosexual lifestyle, as opposed to a sign that indicates ‘openness’ to customers who are of the homosexual orientation,” he said.
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This bit right here is rich:
Shirvell said he was led to believe that Grillo “had to put up the rainbow flag decal in order to appease the homosexuals who frequented NYPD on Friday nights” after leaving Necto nightclub on Liberty Street. Shirvell said Grillo told him he hoped the sticker would come down in a few weeks, but declined to give details about the alleged incident.
ZOMG! TEH GHEYS PUT A GUN TO GRILLO'S HEAD!!!1oneone!11
You know, I wonder how the world's going to look in 50 years when people look back at this time and wonder how people could be so vehement against other human beings, just for being different.
Then I remember the Civil Rights movement 50 years ago, realize the world's still equally messed up in its way of thinking, and begin to lose hope in humanity.
We'll take that rainbow down immediately and replace it with a picture of a catholic priest molesting an alter boy.
Also, I endorse tolerance.
You mean he's got time to organize boycotts? I thought he was spending most of his time protesting outside the house of the University of Michigan student body president.
And seriously, has a Christian boycott ever really worked anywhere lately?
Fundie: "Ah, I'm being persecuted by having to look at symbol that the opposition uses!"
The Same Fundie 20 Minutes Later: "We need to put a monument to the 10 commandments in every courthouse in the nation and a cross in every classroom!"
For the umpteenth time, the only thing any company believes in -- regardless of the size of it -- is making money. If placing a sticker on the window might bring in more business, then it will do so. Period.
Quite frankly, I want this guy staying away from restaurants other people might go to. Keeps the nausea level down. And THAT, my friends, is good for business.
"The sticker has upset some people, including Andrew Shirvell, an NYPD customer and member of St. Mary’s Student Parish, located down the street from NYPD.
Shirvell, a University alumnus and former president of Students for Life, said the sticker is offensive because it endorses homosexuality instead of simply tolerating it."
First of all, it's not endorsing anything you jackass.
Second of all, nobody gives a damn if you're offended. You have no right to not be offended and you're just not that fucking important to begin with.
"“I find the rainbow flag offensive because it is a symbol of the homosexual movement that, in my opinion, indicates a validation of the homosexual lifestyle, as opposed to a sign that indicates openness’ to customers who are of the homosexual orientation,” he said."
Like I said, nobody gives a fuck what you think.
Maybe the owner of the pizza place is gay and wants to show his support?
And I have also noticed that fundies boycott absolutely everything they don't like, and by doing so desensitize the sane public to the idea, and thus destroy its own effectiveness. When was the last time a fundie boycott was effective? The eighties?
Shirvell, a University alumnus and former president of Students for Life, said the sticker is offensive because it endorses homosexuality instead of simply tolerating it.
Evidently this cretin has finally heard the argument that tolerance is not endorsement. As anyone with two goddamn brain cells to rub together understands, this means that enforcing the former does not also make the latter compulsory. Unfortunately, Shirwell seems to think it means you can enforce the former whilst continuing to forbid the latter.
Tolerance and endorsement are distinct. That sure as fuck doesn't make it possible to call yourself tolerant of something whilst continuing to demand that nobody else be allowed to actually endorse it, which is precisely what this shitgoblin is trying to do.
Ooooh that asshole's more for a "Love the sinner" approach...
Still makes you an homophobe or at least an ignorant. The homosexual lifestyle is easy. It'S the same as an heterosexual lifestyle. If you'd let them that is.
Okay, we'll do a test. We'll count the money they will lose from your boycott. Then we'll count the money they'll make from the gays who are looking for somethign to eat on their way home from the bar. I seriously doubt they'll be crying into their beers at the mighty loss you will be imposing on them.
I always find this amusing. They seem to think that the mere mention of the word "boycott" will strike fear into the hearts of business owners, allowing them to bully them into submission. But unless you have the numbers to back the boycott, it's little more than acceptable risk in business practice.
This reminds me of the boycott of Pepsico from the AFA (I think it was) because Pepsi gave a donation to PFLAG and have a policy of tolerance of sexual orientation in the workplace. I'm sure the boycott of a few thousand people didn't bring the multimillion dollar corporation to it's knees, but AFA suspended the boycott and claimed victory even though I'm sure Pepsico still has a policy of tolerance in place.
"This is the Assistant Attorney General for the State of Michigan. The one targeting the student body president at the University of Michigan. <see a few posts below>"
Well, technically he's "an" assistant attorney general rather than "the" assistant attorney general. Every lawyer working under he AG (couple hundred of them at least) is designated "assistant attorney general".
That being said, the guy is the epitome of "douche" and is one of the most obvious closet cases I've ever heard of.
Oh, Andrew, it's you again! Sticking your dick in yet another homosexual-related nonissue? Still not out of the closet, I see!
What's the big difference between being open-minded and tolerant towards homosexuals, and accepting their "life-style"?
In my mind, when you tolerate someone, you recognize her/his equal right to exist.
Regular dude: Hey, gay people are humans, too. They have the same rights you do.
Christian dude: *SNAP* AUUUUGH MY ARM!!! Words really CAN break my bones, AAAAAAAAAHHH THE PAIN!!!
You know, if we had anywhere close to the amount of power or even malicious intent as Shirvell invests us with, you'd think we'd have taken over the world by now or at LEAST given ourselves gay marriage.
Please, please, please, someone in Michigan, buy a dozen rolls of multicolored Charmin and "rainbow TP" that sucker's church!
I bet he would spasm so hard he'd eject his spine!
So... what would he rather the cafe had put?
I mean, ethical issues aside, there are business advantages to not coming across as hateful, nit-picking bigots. Namely, more customers.
I sure wish this idiot would be as hyped up about his priest molesting children as he is about a pizza parlour.
So Andrew, what's your favourite pizza? Sausage? Pepperoni?, with extra sauce?
Oh, Andy Shirvell, stalker extraordinaire. Someone get this man a tranquilizer, since clearly whatever he's smoking is doing nothing to mellow him out.
This story is from 5 years ago, btw.
This guy needs to just come out, already.
THIS. He's so far in the closet that he's found Narnia.
How dare you validate homosexuals, they're not people like us!
This Andrew Shirvell sounds like an absolute cock.
Meanwhile, more Catholics are lapsing as a result of something infinitely worse than a mere rainbow 'sticker'.
Do the words 'Kiddy-diddling priests' ring any bells?
PROTIP: Put your own house in order RCC, before you criticise the lifestyles of others.
Leave it to fundies to find ~rainbows~ offensive and to assume everything with a rainbow on it represents gay pride (I've seen them panic in cases where it didn't).
It makes me want to visit their church on Sunday wearing a rainbow colored suit.
Damn, there's a store in my town that flies a gay pride American flag out front (It's just like a regular one except the stripes are rainbow instead of just Red and White,)sells "Coexist" stuff, buttons that say things like "someone you know is gay", "Jesus was liberal", and "Homophobia is a social disease". I would hate to see what would happen to this store if these guys found out about it.
Dude, it's a set of stripes in assorted bright colors, arranged to resemble the spectrum of visible light. I don't particularly like it either, because bright colors give me headaches if I look too long, but rainbows are totally not dangerous and can symbolize just about anything you want.
WE CAN SHARE THE GORRAM RAINBOW. Us gay folks can have it mean we're not ashamed of ourselves and you can have it mean you like unicorns and magic elves, or angels and kitties, or whatever it is you want it to mean; I do not think anyone will care.
Sorry. Getting sick of hearing about the rainbow thing. Friend of mine brought it up, too, "Why do gay people get the whole rainbow?" Me: "...Dude, we're willing to share the stupid thing. You don't even need our permission. We didn't like, copyright it or anything. If you want it, use it."
"I find homosexuality so offensive, I repress my own homosexuality to the point I harass openly gay people."
I'm sure we all know about Shirvell's harassment and stalking of Chris Armstrong. I've seen this guy and he screams repressed homosexual.
Dude, if I lived in NYC I would go there this afternoon for lunch.
Not everyone is straight . I like how the paper described him as a "University alumnus," who (still! ) dislikes the "gay movement."
ETA: I'm with everyone who says that he probably put the sticker up because of the nearby (gay?) bar, not the other way around. Ironically, for probably being a Republican, Mr. Shirvell doesn't seem to know how businesses work.
*around a mouthful of pizza*
Sorry, what'd you say? I couldn't hear you over the sound of how delicious this NYPD pizza is!
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