Quote# 76798

[Gene Cranick's rural Tennessee home was allowed to burn to the ground by the fire department because he never paid a $75 fee for being just outside of the city limits.]

The fire department did the right and Christian thing. The right thing, by the way, is also the Christian thing, because there can be no difference between the two. The right thing to do will always be the Christian thing to do, and the Christian thing to do will always be the right thing to do.

If I somehow think the right thing to do is not the Christian thing to do, then I am either confused about what is right or confused about Christianity, or both.

In this case, critics of the fire department are confused both about right and wrong and about Christianity. And it is because they have fallen prey to a weakened, feminized version of Christianity that is only about softer virtues such as compassion and not in any part about the muscular Christian virtues of individual responsibility and accountability.

The Judeo-Christian tradition is clear that we must accept individual responsibility for our own decisions and actions. He who sows to the flesh, we are told, will from the flesh reap corruption. The law of sowing and reaping is a non-repealable law of nature and nature’s God.

We cannot make foolish choices and then get angry at others who will not bail us out when we get ourselves in a jam through our own folly. The same folks who are angry with the South Fulton fire department for not bailing out Mr. Cranick are furious with the federal government for bailing out Wall Street firms, insurance companies, banks, mortgage lenders, and car companies for making terrible decisions. What’s the difference?

Mr. Cranick made a decision - a decision to spend his $75 on something other than fire protection - and thereby was making a choice to accept the risk that goes with it. He had no moral, legal, ethical or Christian claim on the services of the fire department because of choices that he himself made.

Bryan Fischer, Rightly Concerned 111 Comments [10/10/2010 5:47:40 PM]
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Doctor Whom

10/10/2010 5:50:01 PM


Civilisation, bitch!

10/10/2010 5:52:59 PM


I tell you what. When Bryan Fischer passes away and enters into the Kingdom of his God...MAJOR PARTY AT MY HOUSE!!! I'll buy the booze!

10/10/2010 5:59:25 PM

Power Skunk

I got four sentences in before my brain looked like a pretzel trying to follow this guy's logic.

10/10/2010 6:00:52 PM



10/10/2010 6:01:06 PM


Remind me to NOT live anywhere near where this took place. And Fischer can take a lit M80 up the ass.

10/10/2010 6:02:20 PM

Some word call that EXTORTION,Bryan Fischer. Oh how they love Republican Jesus.

10/10/2010 6:05:54 PM


When a person is in trouble and you have the means, tools, skills, and ability to help them without causing unjust harm to the community, intended rescue-es, or the public at large in doing so, you are morally obligated to do so to the best of your ability.

The simple act of rescuing a family's home, then citing them for failure to pay their fee would have solved the issue for all parties involved without any undue harm to the community and its laws, to the family, or the firefighters, and would have reduced the danger to their neighbors.

This leads me to the conclusion that they were doing it just to be dicks. And people like Bryan Fischer here are doing their best to be as dickish as possible and try to justify it with their religion, which, oddly enough, supports them no matter what position they take.

10/10/2010 6:08:14 PM


While it was irresponsible not to pay for fire coverage they could have just billed the guy later or something. Anyway, the conservative version of Jesus is a horrible person from what I hear about him from fundies. Funny thing is I don't recall him ever talking to a sick, poor, or otherwise disadvantaged person and saying "Tough shit, I only help those who can help themselves". I could have sworn he simply helped them regardless of their financial situation and regardless of who they were. He also did it FOR FREE! Yes, that's right, Jesus was one of those damn dirty socialists.

10/10/2010 6:14:01 PM


I somehow doubt Jesus would have advocated such a thing.

10/10/2010 6:17:18 PM


Because Jesus totally had the blind man, the leaper, and the various people he raised from the dead to pay him money or he wouldn't help them. Oh wait...

10/10/2010 6:20:46 PM



Damnit you beat me to it.

Seriously, though, that's fucking rediculous that they would just LET someone's house burn. I'm disgusted by that, and even more disgusted by this asshat.

10/10/2010 6:28:00 PM

D Laurier

Oh for fuck sakes.
There is no "law of sowing and reaping".

BASIC HUMAN DECENCY dictates that we act to help our fellow human being.

10/10/2010 6:42:35 PM

Allegory for Jesus

Half of me hopes that this man is a Poe. The other half of me spends life in perpetual despair because it knows full well that he isn't.

Being an uncaring dick: It's what (Republican) Jesus would do.

10/10/2010 6:43:10 PM

Boring, self-righteous and pathetic. Would it be terribly gauche of me to invite Bryan Fischer to DIAF in rural TN???

10/10/2010 6:43:37 PM


Not only all that...but Bryan's hatred for "Feminized" Christianity...as if "Feminization" were a bad thing...

Woman Power! Holy Shakti!...REAL POWER!

The Masculine cannot function without the Feminine (and vice versa)...it's common sense!
When Patriarchy is one with Matriarchy & humanity accepts what I'd call "Androgynarchy"...Humanity will florish!

And of course, I say the same as all the other posters about Jesus' compassion VS Bryan Fischer & The Devil's hose-toting Fire Demons of Tennessee.

"In this case, critics of the fire department are correct both about right and wrong and about Christianity. And it is because they have turned to a stronger, nobler, feminized yet not anti-masculine version of Christianity that is only about powerful virtues such as compassion which is just as noble as the virtues of individual responsibility and accountability".

There, I corrected his mistakes.

10/10/2010 7:05:54 PM

Pule Thamex

If you'll just open your bibles, you might agree with Bryan Fischer. What kind of guy do you think God is? That's right, He's a jerk. Whose ass you gonna kiss? That's right, God's. Let's be fair, God is the exemplar of raging jealousy and maniacal genocide, so do you think He's gonna worry about some guy's house burning down, specially in Comfyland?

This guy Fischer is a sublime evangelist. I can see it now. Hordes of grateful atheists and idolaters rushing to be converted to the religion of the hell-god of flames and burning houses. And all because of the fine words of that honey-tongued Fischer of Men.

10/10/2010 7:08:44 PM

Dr. Razark

The guy made a decision not to pay for fire service. As a non-payer, he knew he was on the no-response list. He gambled. He lost the bet.

If the fire department put out the fire, and billed him $75 later, no one would have any reason to pay for service until their house was actually on fire.

There should be some sort of policy to deal with this sort of situation. They could have put his house out, and then charged him for the cost of the response. But if a person chooses not to purchase a service, they don't get to complain later that they didn't receive service.

BTW- What does any of this have to do with your god?

10/10/2010 7:08:51 PM

Percy Q. Shunn

I am continually amazed at the depths to which christ-stains will sink, in order to persecute, torture, punish, and annoy those they deem less worthy.

Isn't it funny that if this were the police department demanding money to provide protection, everyone would be screaming about corrupt cops.

10/10/2010 7:09:37 PM


And they say atheists can't have a moral compass...

10/10/2010 7:11:50 PM


Muscular? Did you mean that?


The Judeo-Christian tradition is clear that we must accept individual responsibility for our own decisions and actions.

Uhh, no it isn't. It's the opposite. Think about what Jesus came to do.

10/10/2010 7:24:13 PM


What the FUCK does Christianity have to do with the fire department being a bunch of assholes?

Edit: I apparently suck at grammar

10/10/2010 7:25:05 PM


So I guess when Jesus spoke of the Good Sameritain he was only doing to waste time and to hear himself speak.

You are a confused about what is right, and you sir are no Christian.

10/10/2010 7:29:31 PM


The homeowner said he forgot to pay the $75. bill. Let he among you who opens all his mail immediately and has never paid a late fee on even so much as a library book cast the first stone.

10/10/2010 7:43:14 PM

Tom Coward

Check out the comments at the original site. Virtully all of them take this guy to task.

10/10/2010 8:02:02 PM

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