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[Gene Cranick's rural Tennessee home was allowed to burn to the ground by the fire department because he never paid a $75 fee for being just outside of the city limits.]

The fire department did the right and Christian thing. The right thing, by the way, is also the Christian thing, because there can be no difference between the two. The right thing to do will always be the Christian thing to do, and the Christian thing to do will always be the right thing to do.

If I somehow think the right thing to do is not the Christian thing to do, then I am either confused about what is right or confused about Christianity, or both.

In this case, critics of the fire department are confused both about right and wrong and about Christianity. And it is because they have fallen prey to a weakened, feminized version of Christianity that is only about softer virtues such as compassion and not in any part about the muscular Christian virtues of individual responsibility and accountability.

The Judeo-Christian tradition is clear that we must accept individual responsibility for our own decisions and actions. He who sows to the flesh, we are told, will from the flesh reap corruption. The law of sowing and reaping is a non-repealable law of nature and nature’s God.

We cannot make foolish choices and then get angry at others who will not bail us out when we get ourselves in a jam through our own folly. The same folks who are angry with the South Fulton fire department for not bailing out Mr. Cranick are furious with the federal government for bailing out Wall Street firms, insurance companies, banks, mortgage lenders, and car companies for making terrible decisions. What’s the difference?

Mr. Cranick made a decision - a decision to spend his $75 on something other than fire protection - and thereby was making a choice to accept the risk that goes with it. He had no moral, legal, ethical or Christian claim on the services of the fire department because of choices that he himself made.

Bryan Fischer, Rightly Concerned 108 Comments [10/10/2010 5:47:40 PM]
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ireadabouttheafterlife

Nazani14 wins the thread!

10/11/2010 5:32:25 AM

Mister Spak

"The fire department did the right and Christian thing."

Yes, we see in the history of chistianity they are frequently setting things on fire. Like witches during the dark ages and jews in Nazi Germany during WWII.

Die in a fire, while the fire department sits there and watches.

10/11/2010 5:36:29 AM

Blaidd Drwg

For those people who live inside city limits, property taxes are the "fee" that provides fire service. Therefore, anyone who does not pay their property taxes should not benefit from fire protection - by the same 'logic'.


Anybody ever notice the church is a tax-free institution???

10/11/2010 5:37:05 AM

Tempura

Everyone else beat me to it, but still: this is fucked up. Sure the guy made a gamble by not paying the fee in question, but come on.

Right and Christian thing? I don't get it. I really don't. I've read through thousands of quotes here on FSTDT, and I still don't get it.

10/11/2010 6:08:16 AM

KittyKaboom

So, let me get this straight...

Jesus would have advocated allowing this family to be without a home because the fire department had a spite about a fee that hadn't been paid?

And this is perfectly justified to you?



10/11/2010 6:13:17 AM

Doubting Thomas

So the Christian thing to do is just stand by and let someone's home be destroyed? I guess for someone to believe that God treated Job fairly, letting someone's house burn down pales by comparison.

I guess this is what elevates atheists above Christians, because atheists wouldn't just stand by and tell someone, "Well, this is what you get for putting yourself in this situation."

You are no longer allowed to claim that Christians are more compassionate & charitable than atheists.

10/11/2010 6:23:47 AM

Boadicea

When fire departments were first developed, it was on a pay-basis. Meaning, of course, if you paid, the fire department would come and if you didn't, they wouldn't. Then they discovered that fire doesn't care whether or not you paid a fee - if you paid and the house next door didn't, the fire will still spread and burn your house down, too. *That's* why fire departments became funded by public money.

You'll note that the people next to Mr. Cranick had their property catch on fire. Of course, they had paid their fee so the fire department put it out. But if the fire department had put out the FIRST FIRE, the second one would never have gotten started. DUH.

And for everyone who said Cranick deserved to have his house burn down over $75 - how many of you claim to be Christian?

Jesus wept.

10/11/2010 6:48:31 AM

Rufus

From what I can gather, the first time that he had a fire (about three years ago), when he'd also forgotten to pay his $75 the fire brigade did come and put it out on the understanding that he'd pay the $75 afterwards.

While not putting out his house the second time does strike me as being a bit harsh (as a supreme understatement), it strikes me that someone who was giving the orders to the fire brigade was trying to prove a point.

10/11/2010 6:57:17 AM

perdurabo

And yet steroid-Jeebus apparently saves by taking on the sins of his followers, thereby removing PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY of the Xtian sinner. Cognitive dissonance anyone?

10/11/2010 7:26:05 AM

Dr. Razark

@Orion
"Your fire dept system in the USA is at a city/local level? This is a key failing of the structure of services then."
In Tennessee, yes it is at the city level. Here in Texas, I've seen fire departments from several small towns show up at fires. It depends on where you are.

It is a stupid system, and should be changed. The system should have some way to handle a person who has not paid the fee, but desires the fire department to respond. However, Mr. Cranick knew how the system worked, and one cannot lay all the blame for what happened on the fire department.


@Rufus
"From what I can gather, the first time that he had a fire (about three years ago), when he'd also forgotten to pay his $75 the fire brigade did come and put it out on the understanding that he'd pay the $75 afterwards."
How interesting...

10/11/2010 8:15:19 AM

Hive

Letting someone's house burn down when you can save it is the Christian thing to do?

Just like Jesus didn't heal any lepers or blind people, etc., he just let them suffer. Oh, wait...

10/11/2010 8:24:57 AM



@Doctor Whom

Don't tell me this Bryan Fischer is in some way related to "Jesus Camp"'s Becky Fischer?!

Either way, all I can say to him, re his quote here:

D. I. A. F.

10/11/2010 8:46:01 AM

GodotIsWaiting4U

Individual responsibility and accountability are Christian virtues? Is that why your religion is built around dodging Hell by having someone else take your supposedly just punishment for your supposedly infinite crimes?

Mr. Cranick needs to be bailed out because he's not the one who made the terrible decisions. The fire department is the one that made the terrible decisions.

10/11/2010 8:57:00 AM

Prager

More evidence that christianity is seriously fucked up!

10/11/2010 9:18:20 AM

Jezebel's Evil Sister

So, when Jesus told that parable about the Good Samaritan, he was just bull shitting, or what?

10/11/2010 9:26:10 AM

Sasha

Then came Peter to him, and said, Lord, how oft shall my brother sin against me, and I forgive him? till seven times?
Jesus saith unto him, I say not unto thee, Until seven times: but, Until seventy times seven.

(Matthew 18:21-22)

Are you absolutely sure you're a Christian, Bryan?

10/11/2010 9:46:16 AM

Average Guy

Related to Becky Fischer possibly?

10/11/2010 10:15:18 AM

Headache

I think it was great his house burned down - this should give people a good idea what a Libertarian USA would look like - no thanks!

And this is currently how US health care looks btw.

10/11/2010 10:25:04 AM

Adrian

@Blaidd Drwg:
For those people who live inside city limits, property taxes are the "fee" that provides fire service. Therefore, anyone who does not pay their property taxes should not benefit from fire protection - by the same 'logic'.


Anybody ever notice the church is a tax-free institution???


+1 Internet for you! Now where did I leave my lighter, can of gas and old rags...? [/pyromaniac]

Seriously, this sounds sketchy as hell: I find it hard (read impossible) to believe that in this day and age Mr Cranick would have managed to avoid paying property taxes, so he should have been covered. Even if he paid his taxes to/was under the juridiction of a neighbouring municipality which didn't have a fire department (also hard to believe: even the 400 inhabitants village I lived in as a kid had a small one), said municipality would have to have a contract with a nearby city that does...

10/11/2010 10:44:53 AM

whatever

"If I somehow think the right thing to do is not the Christian thing to do, then I am either confused about what is right or confused about Christianity, or both."

Yes, you are confused about what is right, and it's Christianity that's confusing you.

10/11/2010 10:52:56 AM

Quantum Mechanic

DIAF

10/11/2010 11:39:13 AM

SeekerLancer

Conservative Jesus laughs as your house burns down.

Biblical Jesus wonders where the fuck he went wrong.

10/11/2010 12:59:15 PM

Old Viking

We Christians don't believe in this compassion shit.

10/11/2010 1:46:00 PM

shykid

Finally Headache's America-bashing actually raises a good point, minus the part about someone's house burning down being "great".

10/11/2010 2:35:32 PM

DarkfireTaimatsu

Remember Gene. Remember, if the time should come when you have to make a choice between what is right and what is easy, remember what happened to a man who strayed across the path of the Tennessee fire department. Remember Gene Cranick.

(With apologies to Albus Dumbledore.)

10/11/2010 2:37:39 PM
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