Quote# 76798

[Gene Cranick's rural Tennessee home was allowed to burn to the ground by the fire department because he never paid a $75 fee for being just outside of the city limits.]

The fire department did the right and Christian thing. The right thing, by the way, is also the Christian thing, because there can be no difference between the two. The right thing to do will always be the Christian thing to do, and the Christian thing to do will always be the right thing to do.

If I somehow think the right thing to do is not the Christian thing to do, then I am either confused about what is right or confused about Christianity, or both.

In this case, critics of the fire department are confused both about right and wrong and about Christianity. And it is because they have fallen prey to a weakened, feminized version of Christianity that is only about softer virtues such as compassion and not in any part about the muscular Christian virtues of individual responsibility and accountability.

The Judeo-Christian tradition is clear that we must accept individual responsibility for our own decisions and actions. He who sows to the flesh, we are told, will from the flesh reap corruption. The law of sowing and reaping is a non-repealable law of nature and nature’s God.

We cannot make foolish choices and then get angry at others who will not bail us out when we get ourselves in a jam through our own folly. The same folks who are angry with the South Fulton fire department for not bailing out Mr. Cranick are furious with the federal government for bailing out Wall Street firms, insurance companies, banks, mortgage lenders, and car companies for making terrible decisions. What’s the difference?

Mr. Cranick made a decision - a decision to spend his $75 on something other than fire protection - and thereby was making a choice to accept the risk that goes with it. He had no moral, legal, ethical or Christian claim on the services of the fire department because of choices that he himself made.

Bryan Fischer, Rightly Concerned 111 Comments [10/10/2010 5:47:40 PM]
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I almost punched a hole in my monitor. Almost.

Bryan Fischer is one of the reasons I will never ever vote Republican.

10/11/2010 3:12:07 PM

@Blaidd Drwg:
For those people who live inside city limits, property taxes are the "fee" that provides fire service. Therefore, anyone who does not pay their property taxes should not benefit from fire protection - by the same 'logic'.

Anybody ever notice the church is a tax-free institution???

Are you thinking what I'm thinking?

10/11/2010 3:16:28 PM


You're such a smart man, Bryan! But, why limit this "right and Christian " thing to firefighters. Why not extend the concept to the police? When a mugger's after you, the police won't do a thing unless you had paid an annual subscription fee.

I mean I do watch gangster movies and I think extortion and the protection racket was pretty cool, too.

Too bad they're against the law.

10/11/2010 3:38:44 PM


Republican Jesus says: "No pay, no spray."

10/11/2010 4:21:41 PM

Smurfette Principle

Mr. Cranick made a decision - a decision to spend his $75 on something other than fire protection - and thereby was making a choice to accept the risk that goes with it. He had no moral, legal, ethical or Christian claim on the services of the fire department because of choices that he himself made.

Go to hell, Mr. Fischer. He forgot. Do you know what that means? It means he didn't realize what he was doing. It was not a conscious decision. He had paid every year but that year. Not only that, but he offered to pay not only the cost of the fee, but more than the fee. He watched his house burn to the ground, you asshole.

Would it be too obvious for me to ask you politely to go and die in a fire?

10/11/2010 4:27:49 PM


Who's homes would Jesus burn?

10/11/2010 5:01:59 PM


There are sooo many angry christians on that douche's blog right now it's ridiculous. Especially after his followup "What would Jesus Say - that's easy"

It's gotta be hard when you are just that vile, that people accustomed to being around fundies just aren't having it with you. Enjoy your lonely existence Bryan.

(PS Ayn Rand was a Sith Lord in disguise)

10/11/2010 5:26:15 PM

Anyone who thinks the fire dept. letting the house burn was in any way justified...does the fact that his pets were inside AND THE FIREMEN KNEW IT make any difference to you??? Consider your answers carefully....

10/11/2010 6:25:55 PM


"Finally Headache's America-bashing actually raises a good point, minus the part about someone's house burning down being 'great'."

Yeah but all points are lost due to it being from Headache, the dumbest dumbfuck on the mainpage--even worse than DOS et al.

10/11/2010 6:52:26 PM


Pretty sure Jesus didn't espouse refusing to help people because of money.

10/11/2010 7:35:51 PM

Professor M

@ Gore --

(PS Ayn Rand was a Sith Lord in disguise)

It wasn't a very good disguise.

10/11/2010 8:34:07 PM


Didn't Jesus wash people's feet like some fucking Korean immigrant beautician? He was totally queer

10/11/2010 9:30:36 PM


@Dr. Razark

Seriously, WTF? In Finland where i live, we don't have to pay separately in advance for fire protection. It's basically a tax funded service, as i thought it would be almost everywhere in the civilazed world. Guess i was wrong.

Of course we have home insurance which covers i.e. these sort of things, but it's not like you're not gonna get the FD if you haven't paid some fee beforehand. Weird country you have there mate!

10/12/2010 2:16:23 AM

Seriously, this sounds sketchy as hell: I find it hard (read impossible) to believe that in this day and age Mr Cranick would have managed to avoid paying property taxes, so he should have been covered. Even if he paid his taxes to/was under the juridiction of a neighbouring municipality which didn't have a fire department (also hard to believe: even the 400 inhabitants village I lived in as a kid had a small one), said municipality would have to have a contract with a nearby city that does...

It doesn’t sound like he was under the jurisdiction of any municipality.

10/12/2010 3:30:17 AM


Wow, from giving the poor your last silver coin to this... Just feel that 'Christian' love!

10/12/2010 6:04:02 AM


The "Christian" thing to do is to give people grace - i.e., better than what they deserve. You know all that "if you have two shirts and see a man with non" stuff? How about that "we had the sentence of death in ourselves but someone else paid" stuff?

Letting some guy's house burn down because he didn't pay a $75 fee? That's fucking ridiculous - it's also wrong, by any ethical standard, Christian or otherwise.

/Here's to hoping you get better than you deserve, Bryan Fischer - because what you actually deserve would suck just as hard as you do.

10/12/2010 10:30:33 AM


I am very tempted to say that this Bryan Fischer's statement constitutes some sort of Moral Event Horizon.

10/12/2010 10:34:33 AM


If you are truly going to stand by that as the pinnacle of Christianity, then color me proud to be nothing like that, and proud to be an avowed heathen.

10/12/2010 10:46:47 AM


Did you guys read the original story? As far as I understand, it was against the law for the fire department to help Mr Cranick... Rather messed up, law-wise, but this is America, the land of weird laws.

If that's the case, I don't see how this is firefighters' fault.

10/13/2010 6:11:25 AM



The moral thing to do would be to put out the fire anyway. Even if they charged him for it later.

10/13/2010 8:15:20 AM


@ DevilsChaplain:

Obeying the laws is also a moral thing - bringing a rather pointless discussion of what is more moral here.

As much as I would want to agree with you, I don't see how obeying the laws is more or less moral then saving someone's house. We can easily come up with arguments for both sides being more moral in this case.

10/13/2010 9:50:10 AM


"Obeying the laws is also a moral thing"

Unless it's a bad law. Civil rights protesters often sat in white-only areas to make a point that the laws were unjust. They, along with people like Rosa Parks and Martin Luther King, Jr., were arrested for what they did. You can disobey an immoral law--and if you really have respect for the letter of the law too you can do so and take the punishment for breaking it. But these firefighters should have done the right thing.

10/13/2010 6:25:15 PM


Helpless animals trapped inside that house burned to death because of this, you fuck.

10/13/2010 8:33:06 PM


Law != Morality

Know who has a problem with this? Batman. Batman drags you in for stealing no matter how harmlessly you do it, but he's a freaking vigilante. Which is a crime. He is usually in denial about this.

But Batman aside: yes, they should have put out the fire. That was a bad law. There are such things, and basing a conception of morality around 'law' is a dicey endeavor.

But I doubt many of the firefighters in question were doing that. They did not want to risk their lives and then be punished for it. This was their choice; I do not think they made a good one. Especially if he had paid every year until the current one, and therefore they had had many monies of him for no actual service, merely service in potentia.

Mr. Fischer is just a dick.

10/13/2010 9:47:43 PM


Being an utter cunt and being Christian are different things. Stop dragging down the members of your religion who are not insane by trying to associate them with your evil little world view.

10/14/2010 5:04:47 AM

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