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Q-If God created the world 6,000 years ago or so, why are stars millions of light years away?

A-Brendon, what a question! Yes, we know from the dates God gives us in the Bible that He did create the whole universe about 6,000 years ago. When we hear the term light-year, we need to realize it is not a measure of time but a measure of distance, telling us how far away something is. Distant stars and galaxies might be millions of light-years away, but that doesn’t mean that it took millions of years for the light to get here, it just means it is really far away!

Ken Ham, AIG, AIG 174 Comments [10/20/2010 10:46:20 AM]
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SaneChick

I'm dumber for having read that.

10/20/2010 12:26:54 PM



fail

10/20/2010 12:29:46 PM

Trivia Jockey

Today marks the day I've read the stupidest thing ever said, ever.

10/20/10 NEVER FORGET

10/20/2010 12:35:44 PM

Mister Spak

You seem to have missed a key concept here.

10/20/2010 12:45:35 PM

Farker

Suggesting that a "god" even exists is so much more fail than anything to do with light. I would believe light travels at 88MPh before any sort of God.

10/20/2010 12:49:09 PM

GodotIsWaiting4U

The "dates" in the Bible aren't there, actually.

While it IS true that light-years are distance and not time, they are the DISTANCE LIGHT CAN TRAVEL IN A YEAR IN A VACUUM. Ergo, it takes A YEAR for LIGHT from a STAR to travel ONE LIGHT-YEAR. If a star is millions of light-years away, then it would take MILLIONS OF YEARS FOR THE LIGHT TO REACH US.

10/20/2010 12:53:07 PM

Tolpuddle Martyr

Translation:

What a question!

Did you get that?

Fixed.

10/20/2010 1:07:38 PM

Wehpudicabok

I facepalmed so hard, my face and palm both hurt. But it wasn't as much as Ken Ham's head must have hurt when his mom dropped him on it as a kid.

10/20/2010 1:08:04 PM

aaa

Seen worse.

10/20/2010 1:10:10 PM

Old Viking

Astonishing.

10/20/2010 1:15:28 PM

Brendan Rizzo

What... the... fuck... is... this... incoherency?

One light-year = the distance light travels in one year. This is true by definition. Mr. Ham, if you aren't a Poe, please enroll yourself into a reading comprehension course this instant, if not sooner.

10/20/2010 1:18:23 PM

Doctor Whom

Later on the same page:

So, I believe the stars could be seen (however God did that) on earth as soon as God spoke them into existence. Keep enjoying the splendor of the night sky, but remember that God created it to display His glory so we could behold how wonderful and powerful our Creator really is!

God caused things more than 6,000 LY away to be visible => God provided information of events that had never happened => God lied. Some "glory."

P.S. I thought that other YEC's had repudiated that argument for exactly that reason.

10/20/2010 1:25:53 PM

pete

I have recently decided that a person who lies, even if they are too stupid and or crazy to realize they are lying, is a liar.

Mr. Ham. You are a liar of colossal proportions.

10/20/2010 1:25:57 PM

Giardano Bruno

I am starting to realise that these people are not stupid. They are lying, and know they are.

Christianity, Islam, Judaism, Hinduism and probably other religions I don't know about have strict rules on this.

10/20/2010 1:54:25 PM

Murdin

This is incredibly stupid, but... strangely I'm even less surprised than I could expect to be. Could it be that fundies already accustomed me to this kind of insanity, perhaps in a less explicit form ? Oh... waitaminnit...

The Bible might be inerrant, but that doesn't mean that us fundamentalists don't get to cherry pick and reinterpret whatever we want, it just means we're always right while doing so !

10/20/2010 2:11:10 PM



"...Distant stars and galaxies might be millions of light-years away, but that doesn’t mean that it took millions of years for the light to get here, it just means it is really far away!"

That is exactly what it means. To say otherwise is to display ignorance of a monumental nature. But what else should one expect of a funfie?


10/20/2010 2:17:20 PM



"...Distant stars and galaxies might be millions of light-years away, but that doesn’t mean that it took millions of years for the light to get here, it just means it is really far away!"

That is exactly what it means. To say otherwise is to display ignorance of a monumental nature. But what else should one expect of a funfie?


10/20/2010 2:23:14 PM

Xotan

"...Distant stars and galaxies might be millions of light-years away, but that doesn’t mean that it took millions of years for the light to get here, it just means it is really far away!"

That is exactly what it means. To say otherwise is to display ignorance of a monumental nature. But what else should one expect of a fundie?


10/20/2010 2:24:59 PM

JohnTheAtheist

Fuck you Ken Ham. What a douchebag. I can't believe that anyone could read that nonsense and draw the conclusion that it makes sense.

10/20/2010 3:24:28 PM

tracer

To be fair to Ken Ham:

He seems to be invoking the apologist's notion that light from the distant stars was created ''en route'' to the Earth, so that it would arrive here before the actual light emitted from the stars does.

In other words, God deliberately made the universe to look older than it actually is. Because He's just that big of a douchebag.

10/20/2010 3:50:44 PM

Creedence Leonore Gielgud

What he's probably trying to say, but is too stupid to convey properly, is that light speed is not constant, and has slowed down over time. This may very well be true, and it is an area of interest for physicists. They have found no compelling evidence to support that this is the case though.

However if it had of fluctuated drastically enough to allow light to travel across billions of light years, in just a few days, then we wouldn't be here discussing it right now. The accelerated rate of radioactive decay during the time of the alleged creation week would have at best rendered the earth uninhabitable, and more likely burnt it up completely.

Ham could just have said God created the Universe to appear ancient, as some creationists claim. This is problematic too. Probably more so, because in that scenario God is deliberately being deceptive, and punishing humans for buying into the illusions he himself created to trick us with.

10/20/2010 4:07:23 PM

solomongrondy

Thrutch and Giardano Bruno, you're both absolutely right here, there's not one professional YEC who's not well aware they're lying through their teeth.

Follow the money ;-)

10/20/2010 4:11:30 PM

nutcase

So, I believe the stars could be seen (however God did that) on earth as soon as God spoke them into existence.

However dumb Ham's 'reasoning' otherwise, this bit actually raises a legitimate question for me:

If the universe has been expanding ever outward from its beginning, then wouldn't the stars and galaxies have been closer together at one time? Is it possible that something a million light years away from Earth now could have been close by and thus visible from this planet shortly after Earth's formation? (I don't know enough about this to even guess as to whether mine is a stupid question or not.)

10/20/2010 4:12:23 PM

Dire Sloth

...wow. Um. Wow. I've been lurking on this site for ages, and this is the first time I've been flat-out dumbstruck by stupidity. Just...wow.

10/20/2010 4:31:11 PM

Brent

@nutcase: Intuitively, it seems like a good question. But the problem is that the distance and time are inseperable. That much is obvious from the fact that the distance is defined by the time it takes for light to get from the distant star to the us. If the universe popped into being 6000 years ago, for instance, the light from stars 6000 ly away would just now be arriving--we would see it as stars magically popping into being. Any stars closer would have been visible for some time, and farther away stars would still be invisible. The only way we would be able to see stars farther away than 6,000 ly, in that case, would be for light to have been created enroute.

But, it's Ken Ham, so logic doesn't apply, and a trickester god who makes the universe seem older than it is (a test of faith?) is a perfectly viable explanation for facts that don't support his beliefs.

10/20/2010 4:31:43 PM
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