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I never understand exactly what point they're trying to make with this is.
"Not pushing a religious agenda in school is a religion unto itself... therefore we should be indoctrinating them into Christianity"?
11/9/2010 5:18:28 AM
I read about the afterlife
"What they really mean is 'no other religion other than my own.'"
So, by not teaching about religion, we're teaching about religion? Damn. How many mindfucks did it take you to get to that conclusion?
11/9/2010 5:24:58 AM
Can't find 'secular materialism' in Key Stage 4 ...
11/9/2010 5:52:27 AM
Do you know what a religion is?
I am of the opinion that you don't know.
Is not John Thomas a euphemism for penis?
11/9/2010 5:52:42 AM
I won't comment on what schools do or don't teach in the UK, but I will say that secular materialism is a religion the way health is a disease.
11/9/2010 5:55:16 AM
John Thomas = stupid wanker.
11/9/2010 6:35:22 AM
so remember to realise how hypocritical it is for people (like several posters here) to say "No religion should be taught in schools". What they really mean is "No religion other than my own" - it's just that they are not honest enough to say it openly.
I assume you're talking about Christians here, since they're the ones who are always whining about Christianity not being allowed in schools but claim that other religions such as secular materialism are. It's not a religion, though, since the very definition of secular means "worldly," as in not pertaining to religion.
11/9/2010 6:35:28 AM
Remember that schools (media, society, etc.) currently DO teach that one religion is the one ultimate truth, namely secular materialism...
Shocking. Scandalous. Bullshit.
Unless you'd care to cite a specific example or two?
11/9/2010 6:50:25 AM
Being secular =/= being religous.
11/9/2010 6:59:26 AM
KittyKaboomWhat they really mean is "No religion other than my own" - it's just that they are not honest enough to say it openly.
I'll remember you said that the next time you go flapping your ballwashers about the schools not allowing religious groups to distribute their announcements or host prayer. You're not pissed off about prayer not being permitted, you're pissed off that christian
prayers aren't permitted. Since christians (specifically those you happen to agree with) are spreading the only 'true' religion, christians are the only ones who deserve to have the state approve their religious expression, correct? If other children separate from the group and form one of their own (let's say, Pagan or Muslim children), suddenly you'll 'realize' that school sanctioned prayer was a mistake all along.
We already have a control example for this.
So tell me, who is being dishonest here?
11/9/2010 7:00:12 AM
schools (media, society, etc.) currently DO teach that one religion is the one ultimate truth, namely secular materialism
Boo F'ing hoo. Secularism, secular humanism, secular materialism, et al. are not religions. Wikipedia says it best:
"Secular Humanism is a secular philosophy that espouses reason, ethics, and the search for human fulfillment, and specifically rejects supernatural and religious dogma as the basis of morality and decision-making. Secular Humanism is a life stance that focuses on the way human beings can lead happy and functional lives.
Secular Humanism is distinguished from various other forms of humanism. Though Secular Humanism posits that human beings are capable of being ethical and moral without religion, or God, that is not to say it assumes humans to be inherently or innately good."
So the entire basis of your argument, John, is flawed. That and the simple fact they don't teach this philosophy in public schools.
11/9/2010 7:04:41 AM
Materialism is a philosophy not a religion and it is not taught in schools.
Infact I was never once taught about materialism at school however in Religious Education I did learn about Christianity, Islam & Hinduism etc and thanks to going to a secular state scool rather than one of the many state sponsored faith schools in the UK I was never taught any of them as fact.
11/9/2010 7:04:48 AM
Not teaching that any one religion is correct is not the same as teaching that no religion is correct. That is a failure of logic.
Not only that, but you have a screen name that is a euphemism for a penis which makes this all the more ammusing.
11/9/2010 7:27:36 AM
Well at least this Nimrod is honest enough to admit what NeoCon Puritans have been saying thinking all along....
...Remember this guy?...
'AV1611VET' Quote# 62405
"I wear my ignorance like a badge!
It's our faith they need to see --- not our knowledge."
The latter might be a Poe but it's the same concept.
...'AV1611VET' & John Thomas are still morons, though...
(I forgot to log in first, my bad, I'm not a "Sock", thank you.)
OOPS! I read it again! I thought his quote about "No religion other than my own" was what he was saying that Fundies like him say.
11/9/2010 7:28:28 AM
"Remember that schools (media, society, etc.) currently DO teach that one religion is the one ultimate truth, namely secular materialism, so remember to realise how hypocritical it is for people (like several posters here) to say "No religion should be taught in schools"."
Why do you people insist that things which are obviously not a religion, i.e., "secular materialism", actually are a religion and things which obviously are a religion, i.e., Christianity, are not a religion?
Do you honestly think this shit convinces anyone with an IQ over room temperature?
"What they really mean is "No religion other than my own" - it's just that they are not honest enough to say it openly."
No. They really do mean just what they say: NO religion. Period. Yours, theirs or that of anyone else. And especially not stupid shit like "secular materialism" which isn't even a religion to begin with you fuckwit.
11/9/2010 7:52:24 AM
The religion of "secular materialism"?
Secular (adj.), not religious, or not connected with religion.
Materialism (noun), a preoccupation with or stress upon material rather than intellectual or spiritual things.
So "secular materialism" would be a non-religious stress upon non-spiritual things. Can you get any less religious?
11/9/2010 7:58:16 AM
Open a dictionary and read what "religion" means. Then headbutt a brick wall, just in case that you are still thicker than a DU penetrator.
11/9/2010 8:09:49 AM
> schools [...] currently DO teach that one religion is the one ultimate truth, namely secular materialism
Mind you, I don't personally mind religious teaching in schools if it's only for baptised members of religion, is carefully quarantined to religion classes, is informative in nature and does not require tests of personal faith, and doesn't interfere with other teaching. We have that sort of system here in Finland.
But this sort of comment from you betrays that you would probably want the religious classes to be indoctrinative in nature. We can deduct from the comment that you believe that non-religious classes indoctrinate people into non-religious behaviour, so you want religious classes to counterbalance that effect. That is wrong. The purpose of the school is to inform, not force changes in one's behaviour and thinking.
Wasn't there one guy who said something along the lines of "truth shall set you free"? The problem with that is that you're scared of the other truths.
11/9/2010 8:10:14 AM
"No religion should be taught in schools". What they really mean is "No religion other than my own" - it's just that they are not honest enough to say it openly.
For the most part, and speaking from my time in school (I'm a Junior right now), never has a religion been pushed upon me in a public school. So I'd assume you're not in school and that you're just being a twat.
11/9/2010 8:12:03 AM
So according to fundies evolution is a religion, atheism is a religion, liberalism is a religion, and now just being secular is a religion. Fucking everything is a religion to these people. So is it your contention that we shouldn't teach anything inn school? I mean, we wouldn't want kids to learn any of the evil secular math or evil secular science.
11/9/2010 8:36:23 AM
You can't just call a thing a religion and suddenly make it so. Words do not work that way.
11/9/2010 8:47:48 AM
So secularism = religion and
Christianity = personal relationship?
11/9/2010 8:55:45 AM
You know you have invented the perfect armour against IEDs, anti-tank rounds
Decapitate enough fundies to line your military vehicle with heads ...
11/9/2010 9:03:36 AM
To this Ilk religion is everything and it is beyond their comprehension that not everyone places their beliefs into that same box.
It's tough to get out of a box when they don't even know the box exists.
11/9/2010 9:21:07 AM
So...even if they do not teach any religion at all, they are secretly promoting a religion, so they should just suck it up and promote your religion instead?
11/9/2010 9:23:07 AM
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