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As for the Quran, one thing we are taught about Satan is that he mixes lies with the truth. It's unsurprising that there are many, many good things in the Quran. One could even find laudable tenets in the philosophy of Satanism. But you really have to look at the fruits of a religion to determine whether it is really of God or the Adversary.

Iran is a country run entirely by Islamic clergy. Therefore, one would think that the truest expression of Islamic government would be Iran... a country that is the world's leading source of terrorism and leading violators of human rights.

Someone care to tell me where my reasoning here is wrong?

V the K, Moonbattery 50 Comments [11/16/2010 5:08:55 AM]
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gravematter

Someone care to tell me where my reasoning here is wrong?

No. It's not worth it. Just assume you're always wrong.

11/16/2010 5:24:01 AM

Mister Spak

"Someone care to tell me where my reasoning here is wrong?"

OK.

One thing we are taught about Voldemort is that he mixes lies with the truth.

See if you can find the problem with that statement.

11/16/2010 5:38:36 AM

christian leftie

Go on, I'll bite:

1. There are three faiths known as "Satanism", one has nothing to do with the Abrahamic faiths, one is an old Christian cult, and the third is what most people think of Satanism. You conflate the three.

2. Given the fruits of people confessing to follow Christianity, it is a warmongering religion of hate greed and intolerance, even if Jesus' teachings where contrary to this. Thus either you have to argue that Christianity is a tool of Satan, or your assumptions is wrong.

3. Iran is run by a secular council overseen by a council of hard-line right-wing Muslim clerics of a single sect. Any conclusion there would necessitate an amalgamation of all Islam as being identical to Shi'ah which it is not.

11/16/2010 5:43:27 AM



Yeah, Islam is a load of old crap. Satan has fuck all to do with it, though.

11/16/2010 5:53:52 AM

nutbunny

"But you really have to look at the fruits of a religion to determine whether it is really of God or the Adversary."

You are correct.

"Someone care to tell me where my reasoning here is wrong?"

Don't you worry, a lot of people care.
How about applying your 4th sentence to the bible?

11/16/2010 6:03:26 AM

Matante

When politics and religion are mixed, they both go bad. Thinking that this is a characteristic of Islam is what makes you wrong. Also the entire first paragraph.

11/16/2010 6:08:00 AM

KR

"As for the Quran, one thing we are taught about Satan is that he mixes lies with the truth."

Am i the only one to see, that this applies to almost any fundie regarding statistics, scientific facts and other factual pieces of knowledge?

11/16/2010 6:08:07 AM

Doctor Whom

One could just as well apply all of that to Christianity, especially the part about "fruits of a religion." Oh, but ... all together now ... that's different!

11/16/2010 6:26:25 AM



Waiting, waiting, waiting for V the K to look in the mirror.

11/16/2010 6:27:27 AM

Xotan

"...But you really have to look at the fruits of a religion to determine whether it is really of God or the Adversary."

You mean that Jesus was really a version of Satan?

"...country that is the world's leading source of terrorism and leading violators of human rights. "

And the US and Britain! Remember Abu Graib and Guantanamo and the torture, special renditions, no habeas corpus for the prisoners, oh, and torture???? V the K, you seem to be unaware that these things were done in your name by your government. Did you protest them? Why do I ask.

Pot, meet Kettle.






11/16/2010 7:16:55 AM

TGRwulf

It's not Islam itself, it's Islam induced politics. Which is why we don't want you assholes messing with our government.

11/16/2010 7:24:03 AM

Pup

By your reasoning, the same claim could be made about ANYTHING, including your own religious texts...

11/16/2010 7:41:36 AM

JohnTheAtheist

Any country that is led by clergy, regardless of the religion, will look like Iran. This is what happens when you value myths and superstition above reason. The actual myths and superstitions are irrelevant.

11/16/2010 7:45:38 AM

Brendan Rizzo

Your reasoning isn't wrong per se, but...

"As for the Bible, one thing it says about Satan is that he mixes lies with the truth. It's unsurprising that there are many, many good things in the Bible. One could even find laudable tenets in the philosophy of Satanism. But you really have to look at the fruits of a religion to determine whether it is really of God or the Adversary.

"During the Middle Ages, Europe was a continent run almost entirely by Christian clergy. Therefore, one would think that the truest expression of Christian government would be in medieval Europe... a continent and time period that was the world's leading source of witch burnings and among the leading violators of human rights."

Oh, the irony!

11/16/2010 8:03:21 AM

Horsefeathers

"As for the Quran, one thing we are taught about Satan is that he mixes lies with the truth."

Except that it's god, not Satan, that lies throughout the Bible.

"It's unsurprising that there are many, many good things in the Quran. One could even find laudable tenets in the philosophy of Satanism. But you really have to look at the fruits of a religion to determine whether it is really of God or the Adversary."

Obviously you've never looked very hard at the fruits of your own religion.

"Iran is a country run entirely by Islamic clergy. Therefore, one would think that the truest expression of Islamic government would be Iran... a country that is the world's leading source of terrorism and leading violators of human rights."

Much like Europe during the time the Church was running things. What's your point?

"Someone care to tell me where my reasoning here is wrong?"

Your reasoning is wrong because you didn't use any.

11/16/2010 8:16:24 AM

Pule Thamex

Yeah! You've posted on Moonbattery, second only to Rapture Ready in its capacity for hosting humerous yet fundie stupidity.

11/16/2010 8:58:52 AM

New Hope

Okay, I'll bite on this one quote:

"Iran is a country run entirely by Islamic clergy. Therefore, one would think that the truest expression of Islamic government would be Iran... a country that is the world's leading source of terrorism and leading violators of human rights."

Not necessarily true. Like most of the countries "run by Islam," Iran has a few people in power that truly believe that they are following Islam. The rest use the religion to rally the everyday people while they become obscenely rich, which (can't remember the exact verse) is exactly against the tenants Mohammad taught.

11/16/2010 9:07:15 AM

dionysus

And we've also seen the fruits of Christian theocracies too such as the Crusades, the Inquisition, and burning of 'witches' and members of other denominations. So according to you Christianity is also from Satan.

11/16/2010 9:14:47 AM

szaleniec

Because Iran, run by Shiites, is a major ally to Osama bin Laden, a Sunni militant. I guess they're all just ragheads as far as V the K is concerned. As to human rights violations, Iran's record is appalling but nowhere near that of (to name three examples off the top of my head, there are more) Saudi Arabia, Burma or North Korea.

11/16/2010 9:29:57 AM

TB Tabby

Because you're not applying it equally. If Muslims doing bad things makes Islam evil, then Christians doing bad things makes Christianity evil. Therefore, by YOUR reasoning, these terrorist acts prove that Christianity is an evil religion. And if they don't, then Islamic terrorists don't make Islam evil.

Glass houses and all that.

11/16/2010 9:30:15 AM

Doubting Thomas

But you really have to look at the fruits of a religion to determine whether it is really of God or the Adversary.

Translation: If it's any religion I don't like, then it's being run by Satan.

11/16/2010 9:36:52 AM

GigaGuess

Iran is a country run entirely by Islamic clergy. Therefore, one would think that the truest expression of Islamic government would be Iran... a country that is the world's leading source of terrorism and leading violators of human rights.
Oh goody! So do we get to judge Christianity by the Dark Ages now?

11/16/2010 9:51:28 AM

Sisyphus

Isn't Iran one of the more secular (ish) countries in the middle east?

11/16/2010 10:10:22 AM

aaa

This is about as stupid as condemning all Christianity based on what the Vatican says.

11/16/2010 11:13:04 AM

Mr. Boston

Yup, totally agreed. When the clergy of any religion controls the government it's bad for the people. No argument against that idea from me.

11/16/2010 12:25:52 PM
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