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Quote# 77519

Gravity is a theory, not a proven fact.

The effects of gravity can be explained by other theories. An example would be the acceleration theory which asserts the earth is actually moving 'upward' at a constant rate of 1g (9.8m/sec^2). This produces the same effect as "gravity".

See there are different theories for the same phenomena - and none are facts, they are just theories.

Cassiterides, Evolution Fairytale Forum 225 Comments [11/17/2010 4:55:38 AM]
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#1227993


Of course gravity isn't a fact. That's why everything floats!

11/18/2010 8:59:00 PM
#1228001
anonymous

theory is used because science is dynamic and new research leads to more insight into a topic. There is no such thing as proof for any scientific phenomena, as proof would be static and indicate finality. And there are multiple theories for many scientific phenomena, accepted by many scientists such as, in chemistry, Magnetic orbital bonding, Lewis model bonding, and orbital hybridization. there are multiple theories that ARE accepted because none of these theories fully explain bonding patterns in atomic structures.

(Shutler, 2010)(Jha, 2010) 1st year chemistry and biology lectures, taken directly from slide notes.

11/18/2010 9:34:21 PM
#1228013
DevilsChaplain

I'm still waiting for Truthsucker to grace us with his/her presence again.

11/18/2010 11:48:25 PM
#1228019
chaosof99

Why do I imagine the same guy going on with something like "Those poor people in Australia. Nobody actually lives there anymore. They all fell off when the earth was literally pulled away from right under their own feet. Of course, nobody knows about that: World Government Cover-Up!"

11/19/2010 1:39:43 AM
#1228030


I briefly considered, having had a wander around, joining the EFF. Mostly because there was an epic fail in a thread I was itching to point out. But having checked out the forum rules first, and seeing that it's a bannable offence to say "micro" and "macro" evolution are the same ("Equivocation, particularly regarding what "evolution" means. It is intellectually dishonest to claim that micro-evolution (something everyone agrees occurs) proves that all life originates from a common ancestor."), it becomes clear that this is not a place that truly wants discussion and debate. I find in the end that creationists pretty much all are like Truthseeker - the walking misnomer - ultimately falling back on assertion and fallacious arguments. They are incapable of understanding the science or even really the central tenets of science itself because it wont ever give them the answers they want.


11/19/2010 3:43:45 AM
#1228031


....cont'

So it's pointless to explain why a theory trumps any other hypotheses that might be postulated. It's pointless to explain why it's ok that theories evolve over time. It's pointless to explain why, for instance, the depth of topsoil isn't an argument for a young earth. It's pointless to explain that there has been observed evolution in E. coli, or drosophila. It's pointless to explain that a Christian, Newton, proved the emission theory wrong as well as finding time to develop the theory of gravity. These people can't and wont understand any of these things if they make their worldview wobble.

And we should note that Cassiterides claims he is from the UK. Brits should acknowledge that although there are not as many vocal creationists here, they do exist, and such groups have become stronger and have a few voices in Parliament. Check out Noah's Ark Zoo. It won an award for education. *Poltergeist kid voice* They're heeeeereee.

11/19/2010 3:44:34 AM
#1228045


I learned about velocity versus acceleration in my high school physics class. This guy has not.

11/19/2010 6:39:13 AM
#1228052
David B.

@#1228030: " Truthseeker - the walking misnomer "

I think he's a "truthseeker" in the same way as a missile is sometimes a "heatseeker", i.e. not in a good way (for the truth/heat).

11/19/2010 7:19:07 AM
#1228053
Panz

"An example would be the acceleration theory which asserts the earth is actually moving 'upward' at a constant rate of 1g (9.8m/sec^2). This produces the same effect as "gravity". "

Not really, because without gravity, motion was no feel. Take for instance astronauts. They don't feel speed when in space during acceleration.

This also opens another hole in your ideas. Your 'gravity' would only effect people as gravity on the 'top' side of the world, while working opposite to the people on the 'bottom' part of the world.

Also the Earth would have to increase in speed every moment of existence. Remember how you feel gravity accelerating in a car, but once you're at speed you don't feel it any more? Same problem.

Simple physics shuts you down.

As for your "earth can't be proven spherically round", you should try looking at some NASA footage, dolt

11/19/2010 7:37:45 AM
#1228055
Anon-e-moose

@Unbeliever

"@ Truthseeker:

'There is no evidence for evolution.'

Really? A bacteria that lives off nylon - a synthetic material that did not exist before 20th century - is pretty strong evidence."

That, and something else Liesseeker should chew on. Four letters:

MRSA.

Oh, and one more thing, Liesseeker: if every lifeform that exists was created by your so-called 'God', then the Common Cold would've become extinct after the early humans who caught such became immune to the original strain.

Your call, Liesseeker. And don't give us any of that 'Micrevolution =/= Macroevolution' and/or 'The Common Cold Virus changed due to man's sin' bullshit, or any other fundie excuse, neither.

Science can be questioned endlessly, and it's facts will endure. Indeed, constantly questioning things, as part of refining theories and thus more hard, solid facts emerging, therefore increasing human knowledge and reason, is the raison d'etre of science itself.

'Reason is the enemy of faith'

-Martin Luther

The modern world you live in, and take for granted, Liesseeker, is all as a result of scientific development. If you disagree, then throw away that computer of yours. It certainly wasn't the angels who brought it into being, that's for sure! It's CPU, motherboard, graphics & sound cards, HDs & optical drives, RAM, PSU etc. Show me anywhere in/on said computer's components where it says 'Made by God' on them? I work in a computer shop, and in all the time I've been handling such parts in the building, repairing & upgrading of such, I'm buggered if I've ever seen anything other than 'Made in Japan/China/Taiwan/Malaysia/Philippines/Indonesia/Singapore/South Korea/Vietnam' on them.

'What harm would it do, if a man told a good strong lie for the sake of the good and for the Christian church … a lie out of necessity, a useful lie, a helpful lie, such lies would not be against God, he would accept them.'

-Martin Luther

And that's what religion is. The ultimate lie.

Ergo, Liesseeker; i.e. you. QED.

Liesseeker, say hello to StuporSport:

http://www.fstdt.net/QuoteComment.aspx?QID=33954&Page=1

I'm sure you two will get on so well! Creationists of a feather bullshit together, after all.

11/19/2010 7:45:44 AM
#1228066


"Religion is an incarnation of the most childish superstitions." -Albert Einstein

11/19/2010 9:12:03 AM
#1228083
Anon-e-moose

@#1228066

"Religion is an incarnation of the most childish superstitions." -Albert Einstein

I'll see your quote by Einstein, and raise you:

'Religion is something left over from the infancy of our intelligence, it will fade away as we adopt reason and science as our guidelines.'

-Bertrand Russell

Also:

'There is something feeble and a little contemptible about a man who cannot face the perils of life without the help of comfortable myths.'

-Bertrand Russell

11/19/2010 10:25:11 AM
#1228119
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Oh for...

11/19/2010 1:52:35 PM
#1228128
KR

All together: "Theory in science does not mean what you think it means"

The second piece of this is just plain idiotic... Earth moving "upwards"? How on the surface of a spherical object in a 3-dimensional space you could be moving "upwards" at any given point? Does this dimwit mean, that the Earth expands or something of the like (can't figure out any other way how it would make any sense...) Moon, beware; coming to get ya!!

I think i had an anureysm in my brain and it just ruptured...

EDIT: Oh wait, it was Cassiteridas (and the magical eye beams), doesn't surprise me as much anymore that crap...

11/19/2010 2:34:24 PM
#1228133
Unbeliever

@ KR:

The second piece of this is just plain idiotic... Earth moving "upwards"? How on the surface of a spherical object in a 3-dimensional space you could be moving "upwards" at any given point?

The way this particular dimwit represents it, yes, it makes no sense. The origin of this idea, however, is from the Flat Earth Society - the Earth, according to them, is flat (K.O.), and moves upwards, thus creating gravity. On a flat disk, it makes sense.

Granted, that's also retarded along with the whole flat Earth theory - but less retarded then Cassiterides makes it.

11/19/2010 2:53:48 PM
#1228138
KR

@Unbeliever

Oh yeah... silly me. I've happily forgotten that there still are some people who think the Earth is flat. Mine has been an oblate sphere as long as i can remember (and most likely before that too) ;-)

11/19/2010 3:14:20 PM
#1228150


This just in: Evolutionisalie, Truthseeker and Atheistsfail are the same poster.

11/19/2010 4:39:02 PM
#1228152
anti-nonsense

WHAT? In what kind of bizarro universe does that "theory" make any sense?

You don't understand what a theory is. A theory is not just any whackjob hypothesis you pull out of your ass, a theory is a hypothesis that has been tested extensively and is well supported by the evidence.

11/19/2010 4:40:36 PM
#1228154


Pretty sure I just lost about seven IQ points.

11/19/2010 4:43:11 PM
#1228179
Vince

Not only is that pathetically stupid but G forces don't even work that way. Since you seem to be 5 let me explain.

The earth IS moving, but so are we along with it at the same speed, so it doesn't really matter. Only if it was accelerating (key word being accelerating, like, constantly, FOREVER) at a steady rate would there be anything similar to gravity.
At this point all the people on the wrong side of the world are going to be left flying into the distance. Even after all this bullshit it would still only work if the earth was flat, but please, let's leave this here before you tell me you believe that too.

11/19/2010 10:03:02 PM
#1228182
Enigma32

Anyone else feel the collective IQ of the human race drop by 20 points just then?

11/19/2010 10:20:23 PM
#1228197
Chatvert

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THERE IS NO UP IN SPACE!

Sorry, I just had to get that off my chest.

11/20/2010 12:41:59 AM
#1228240


Why don't you throw yourself from a window to see how much it works the theory of gravity?

11/20/2010 9:04:03 AM
#1228278
Chairmaker

Apparently Mr Tin Islands is no longer YEC and no longer welcome on EFF!

http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=43517.0

11/20/2010 12:15:34 PM
#1228398
Tiado

Why must you come up with an entirely implausible and idiotic "idea" like that, instead of listening to people who actually have an inkling of knowledge in the field?

Oh right, I forgot, physicists are scientists, and scientists are evil because they contradict your story of creation of everything from nothing.

11/20/2010 9:12:58 PM
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