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One of the people in the group of almost 300 atheists/agnostics who visited the Creation Museum a few months ago wrote this on his blog:

It is in the minds and hearts of our children that the battle will be fought . . . .

Secular humanists understand that if you can brainwash children from an early age in evolution and an anti-Christian philosophy, they will capture their hearts and minds. Sadly, they are being very successful at this. As we have shown in the book, Already Gone—based on statistically valid research conducted by America’s Research Group—the two-thirds of young people who are leaving the church really are doing so because the church is not countering what the world is doing to indoctrinate them against the Bible’s history (particularly in Genesis).

All over the world, the secular humanists (who are a minority in the culture) are gaining ground, capturing new generations of kids. The Already Gone research also showed that children from the church are being lost much earlier than most people think—40% by the end of middle school and another 45% by the end of high school.

Ken Ham and C. Britt Beemer, Already Gone 64 Comments [11/27/2010 5:57:18 AM]
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Rob Crompton

The problem is education - it makes kids think. At least, decent education does.

11/27/2010 6:07:57 AM

dgel

the name of their blog is a reference to their brains right?

11/27/2010 6:27:07 AM



Yay!

11/27/2010 6:56:23 AM

John_in_Oz

The reason you're losing ground Ken is that when provided with both accounts, even schoolchildren see you're a fool and a liar.
I hope that's cleared things up for you.

11/27/2010 6:57:46 AM



"what the world is doing to indoctrinate them against the Bible’s history (particularly in Genesis)."

There is no indoctrination with science. It's just education. We leave indoctrination to the religitards. I sure hope your data is good, proves education wins.

Woot!

11/27/2010 7:06:24 AM

Matante

The world moves. When religion won't budge, religion stays behind. Look no further.

11/27/2010 7:15:43 AM

TGRwulf

"Secular humanists understand that if you can brainwash children from an early age in evolution and an anti-Christian philosophy, they will capture their hearts and minds."

Let's see... that's irony meter number 43 that Ken Ham owes me.


Oh, and so the fact that real life contradicts your holy book means that schools are brainwashing kids? LOL.

11/27/2010 7:20:48 AM

Xotan

Genesis is history?

Oh, it's Ham. Never mind. Wasn't Ham pubnished for looking on his father's nakedness?

11/27/2010 7:29:36 AM

Neith

Teaching kids to think for themselves is not brainwashing. Of course, I wouldn't expect Ken Ham to understand the concept of thinking for oneself.

11/27/2010 7:41:05 AM



Sorry, in the times of internet you'd have go put some effort to find retarded kids or other stupid pre-teens that buys your shit.

11/27/2010 7:50:23 AM

Berny

It's called getting educated. The only way fundamentalist Christians are going to win this one is by deliberately keeping their children stupid and ignorant. That's hardly what I would call a "win" in my book.
You'll be condemning your children to a life of poverty and servitude to the more able and educated (and wealthy) members of society who weren't constrained by religious dogma and superstition. All because of your irrational denial of reality and science in favour of a Bronze Age creation myth.
You people are idiots.

11/27/2010 7:53:44 AM

Mudak

So their real complaint is the fact that we're getting to kids before they are, right?

11/27/2010 8:14:38 AM



...the world is doing to indoctrinate them against the Bible’s history (particularly in Genesis).

Science cannot "indoctrinate" because science does not have alterior motives like religion. Science just presents the facts, it's we who choose whether or not to believe in them.

...children from the church are being lost much earlier than most people think—40% by the end of middle school and another 45% by the end of high school.

So you've discovered the inverse-proportion relationship between education and being religious. Congratulations.

11/27/2010 9:22:32 AM

GodotIsWaiting4U

I like how you mention that secular humanists are a minority. It's like you're openly admitting that you're trying to suppress the minority by any means possible.

11/27/2010 9:47:09 AM

Brendan Rizzo

Well, this is good news then. We don't have to worry about fundies causing a second Dark Age. I say, we celebrate.

11/27/2010 10:04:02 AM

Anon-e-moose

"It is in the minds and hearts of our children that the battle will be fought . . . ."

...and with our secular world, coupled with Kitzmiller vs. Dover, the war has already been won.

This is messrs. Ham & Beemer's current location:


11/27/2010 10:21:38 AM

Doubting Thomas

I really really really really really really hope this is true. But that's what you get when you teach kids how to think, not what to think, which tends to be the major difference between secular humanists and Christians. All Christians know how to do is brainwash and indoctrinate, while humanists tend to teach children how to use logic & reason which tends to lead them to atheism since reality has an atheistic bias.

11/27/2010 10:32:11 AM

Brendan Rizzo

@ Anon-e-moose:

Just out of curiosity, what do the banks of the Nile have to do with this? You've posted that twice now with no explanation.

11/27/2010 11:01:54 AM

John

I've never heard any formerly religious atheist or agnostic claim they left the church because "secular humanists" brainwashed them into thinking that Genesis wasn't literally a science or history book. First of all, most mainstream Christian sects don't even teach that themselves. One of the biggest problems churches have is providing a reasonable explanation for why God never actually seems to do anything.

@Brendan - I think he means Ken Ham is in denial ("de Nile" - get it?)

11/27/2010 11:02:16 AM

Mtgcostello

Science FTW!
@Brendan: I think he could possibly mean that Ham and Beemer are still in the bronze age.

11/27/2010 11:35:27 AM



Or maybe they're leaving because they discover they have alternatives to that stupid thing as creationism. And don't deceive yourself, there is no problem with evolution in mainstream Christianism.

11/27/2010 11:58:15 AM

whatever

"All over the world, the secular humanists (who are a minority in the culture) are gaining ground, capturing new generations of kids. The Already Gone research also showed that children from the church are being lost much earlier than most people think—40% by the end of middle school and another 45% by the end of high school."

And with your help, we can make this 50% or even 60%!

11/27/2010 12:42:33 PM

dionysus

Methinks you missed the point of what the bloggers were saying. They're not battling to indoctrinate people, they're battling to defend them from YOUR indoctrination.

11/27/2010 12:50:55 PM

Giardano Bruno

"Written by an atheist/agnostic" Aye right, and Naples is the capital of Norway.

I'm Catholic and we have rules about telling lies. But then people like this don't think Catholics are Christians, do they? Or that the Gospels have got anything to do with Christianity.

11/27/2010 1:10:24 PM

aaa

This book of yours sounds quite amusing.

11/27/2010 1:14:13 PM
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