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Evolution Must be Combatted

The utter incompatibility of Darwinian evolution and Sacred Scripture must be recognized. If belief in Adam and Eve is destroyed, then our entire Catholic Faith falls to pieces.

Because, if evolution is true then Adam and Eve did not even exist.

If Adam and Eve did not exist, then there is no such thing as original sin.

If there's no such thing as original sin, there is no need to be redeemed from original sin.

If there is no need for a redeemer, then there is no need for the Second Person of the Blessed Trinity to become Man and die on the Cross for our sins.

If there is no such thing as the Sacrifice of the Cross then there is no such thing as the sacrifice of the Mass, etc., etc., etc.

Evolution: Critical for the Atheist Agenda

Why is evolution kept alive? Why are we not told that Darwinism is dead? That there is devastating evidence against the theory of evolution? Because ___ if evolution is taken away, practically every major world view of our modern day will have nothing to support it and will come crashing to the ground. Modernism. Communism. Secular Humanism. Eugenics. The New Age Movement and even the atheistic United Nations ___ are all based upon the theory of evolution and could not survive without it. Take evolution away, and it would destroy the entire godless superstructure of our modern world in which all these erroneous ideas and institutions reign supreme.

John Vennari, Catholic Apologetics 106 Comments [11/24/2010 7:38:51 AM]
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Swede

To me it sounds like "Science makes Religion obsolete", and what is wrong with that?
Evolution is kept alive because it's getting more and more validated every day. Why is Christianity kept alive?

Devastating evidence against the ToE? Where? How? By who?

Eugenics goes against the ToE. Eugenics is planned breeding, not Natural Selection.

Do you know what "reign supreme" means, dear? All these contradicting ideas can't reign supreme together. Only one can reign supreme, stupid.

11/24/2010 8:42:15 AM

awitch

"Why are we not told that Darwinism is dead?"

He is? Oh no!

I hope Nicolaus Coperniucs doesn't die or the planets will leave their orbits and spin off into outer space.

11/24/2010 8:50:09 AM

Anon-e-moose

"Evolution Must be Combatted

The utter incompatibility of Darwinian evolution and Sacred Scripture must be recognized. If belief in Adam and Eve is destroyed, then our entire Catholic Faith falls to pieces." tl;dr...

"the Atheist Agenda"

Certainly in this case, we Atheists didn't have to lift a finger. And it all boils down to this:

John E. Jones III is a Conservative Christian. He was appointed to the Federal bench in 2002. That appointment was made personally by George Dumbya Bush - a Conservative Christian who believes in Creationism. Dumbya was voted in - twice - by the Religious Right: Creationists.

And despite the best efforts of Creationists like Michael Behe in the 2005 case Kitzmiller vs. Dover, said Conservative Christian Judge John E. Jones III found for the plaintiffs. This case set the precedent. 'I.D.'/Creationism is now illegal and unconstitutional in all US schools/colleges/whatever.

KvD proves that Evolution is fact. And Creationism is lies. The law says so.

Thus the educational agenda of the Religious Right in the US is destroyed. And it's all the fault of you Religious Right types (of whatever stripe; yes, even you Catholics). Your own agenda annihilated by your own agenda! Ah, the irony is exquisitely sweet, is it not?!

Like I say, we Atheists didn't have to lift a finger. If anything, and if there's an 'agenda', it's that of you Religious Right types. Who, with your lack of foresight, born of faith-blindness, have brought this upon yourselves. But then, right-wing Fundamentalist Christianity in the US is one big perpetual P.R. traincrash. And it becomes a bigger mangled mess every time Sarah Failin, Rush Limburger, Pat Robertson et al... and especially Fred Phelps & his WBC open their mouths. Frankly, you & your fundie ilk are your own worst enemy - and our greatest ally.

An 'Atheist Agenda'? You're our hapless (and hopeless) minions, doing our own work for us! Destroying your own religion for us! Dance, our puppets, dance...

>:D

"If Adam and Eve did not exist, then there is no such thing as original sin.

If there's no such thing as original sin, there is no need to be redeemed from original sin.

If there is no need for a redeemer, then there is no need for the Second Person of the Blessed Trinity to become Man and die on the Cross for our sins.

If there is no such thing as the Sacrifice of the Cross then there is no such thing as the sacrifice of the Mass, etc., etc., etc."

In ancient Sparta, as well as the martial training given to the apprentice warriors, they were schooled in the art of giving quick, snappy, snarky, cynical & cutting replies to questions (thus the basis of what is known today as 'Laconic Wit'). The answer to your questions, John, would simply be:

If.

'Sin' is a man-made concept after all. Oh, and Three Words: Pascal's Wager, bitch.

One more thing. The Quakers. The Unitarian Universalists. Certain commenters here in FSTDT. Christians secure in their beliefs (and certainly don't feel their faith is threatened). They don't bother anyone, they're not bothered by anyone. You do the maths, John.

11/24/2010 8:56:44 AM

Mudak

I'm missing something here. While it is a fair statement to say that the biblical characters commonly known as "Adam" and "Eve" did not exist, why and how does the truth about evolution in and of itself disprove their existence?

For all we know, there really were two people millennia ago named Adam and Eve, and maybe they even had sons named Cain and Abel. Maybe even the former killed the latter. Evolution neither proves nor disproves their existence.

But it is true, though, that there's no such thing as original sin, no need for a redemption from said sin, etc...

11/24/2010 9:05:36 AM

KR

tl whaargarbl; dr.

11/24/2010 9:14:48 AM



Hate to break it to you, but the Catholic Church doesn't even believe in a literal interpretation of Genesis and accepts the Theory of Evolution

11/24/2010 9:18:48 AM

Zagadka

..rushes out of the blocks to lead most of the race then inexplicably pulls out a chainsaw and hacks his own legs off two yards from the finish line.

11/24/2010 9:23:48 AM

Headache

Why Oh Why do USA keep it's citizens ignorant and uneducated?

So they can easily get "slaves" working in sub-par conditions and with sub-par salaries and benefits. Easier to promise rewards when you are dead then to pay a decent salary and enact social systems which can help individuals while they are alive. Much easier to use mythology to keep people servile!

The result of this willful and intentional dumbing down of the US population, is that they don't "believe" in things like evolution, global climate change, peak oil and other facts of life but promote whining and howling at some middle eastern fantasy figure as a great alternative to better work conditions, better judicial systems, better education, better health care and so on.

The OP is a glaring example of this dumbing down of the US which has gone on for more then a century, resulting in people fanatically hanging on to what is demonstrably false.

Until the Americans wake up and realize they have been had and that their countrys politics is to the right of both Mussolini and Franco, we will continue to be inundated with American idiots spewing this nonsense!


11/24/2010 9:24:59 AM

DevilsChaplain

Why oh why does Headache keep posting?

11/24/2010 9:42:17 AM

DevilsChaplain

I should also add that while most butt monkeys don't do anything to earn everyone's hate, this isn't the case for Headache.

11/24/2010 9:43:47 AM

GigaGuess

Part 1

The utter incompatibility of Darwinian evolution and Sacred Scripture must be recognized. If belief in Adam and Eve is destroyed, then our entire Catholic Faith falls to pieces.
If science shatters your belief system, that says more about your faith than science.

Because, if evolution is true then Adam and Eve did not even exist.
If Adam and Eve did not exist, then there is no such thing as original sin.
If there's no such thing as original sin, there is no need to be redeemed from original sin.
If there is no need for a redeemer, then there is no need for the Second Person of the Blessed Trinity to become Man and die on the Cross for our sins.
If there is no such thing as the Sacrifice of the Cross then there is no such thing as the sacrifice of the Mass, etc., etc., etc.

TL;DR, if evolution is true, we lose our guilt stranglehold on the masses. And if the premise of the Original Sin doesn't strike you as inherently fucked, I feel sorry for you.

Evolution: Critical for the Atheist Agenda
Not really, but it seems a lack of it is inherent to yours, and your side seems far more likely to have an agenda to be furthered. How much is the Catholic Church worth, again...?

11/24/2010 9:57:24 AM

GigaGuess

Part 2

Why is evolution kept alive? Why are we not told that Darwinism is dead?
Because it would be a blatant lie?

That there is devastating evidence against the theory of evolution?
Yet this devastating evidence is never brought to light. It's always threatened in a nebulous, ominous fashion...much like you just did...but never actually brought forward for actual scrutiny.

Because ___ if evolution is taken away, practically every major world view of our modern day will have nothing to support it and will come crashing to the ground. Modernism. Communism. Secular Humanism. Eugenics. The New Age Movement and even the atheistic United Nations ___ are all based upon the theory of evolution and could not survive without it.
Not one of those things has any interest in evolution. Believe it or not, it was not brought forward as an arrow to your faith. It is where the evidence points, plain and simple. If your religion cannot abide...well I'm sorry, but I will send you the world's smallest violin, playing a sad song for you.

Take evolution away, and it would destroy the entire godless superstructure of our modern world in which all these erroneous ideas and institutions reign supreme.
Again, I would like to point out, you guys seem far more hell bent to censor evolution than we are to teach it. We teach it because it conforms to the evidence at hand. You seek to silence it because it fails to conform to your worldview...you even admit it. You puke up a tirade as to how it cannot be true because it fails to conform to the Bible, then afterwards, offer a weak shot, saying there's evidence that refutes it. You spend more effort saying you don't want it to be true than saying that it's not true.

11/24/2010 9:58:33 AM

LAchlan

I know I stand in line,
until you think you have the time
To spend an evening with me
And if we go someplace to dance,
I know that there’s a chance
You won’t be leaving with me
And afterwards we drop
into a quiet little place
And have a drink or two

And then you go and spoil it all,
by saying something stupid like
"Take evolution away, and it would destroy the entire godless superstructure of our modern world in which all these erroneous ideas and institutions reign supreme."

11/24/2010 10:00:31 AM

BeemerRefugee1990

@ Stryper and Papabear:

Eugenics = Health Care Reform, to people like this.

11/24/2010 10:19:43 AM

Anon-e-moose

@BeemerRefugee1990

"Eugenics = Health Care Reform, to people like this."

Then how about the fact that my country with it's National Health Service, which started in the late 1940s; not only has the UK not ceased to exist as a result of Universal Healthcare, but our life expectancy figures (especially with the over-60s) is amongst the highest in the world (only rivalled by countries such as Norway, Denmark, Sweden, Finland & Japan)?

A definite case of Did Not Do The Research, methinks. Ah, but then if such people did more research (and not quote parrot-fashion from Faux News, their pastors etc), then they wouldn't be ignorant fundies in the first place.

Facts. Reading. Learning. It won't kill them. Only their stupidity, born of their religious 'beliefs'.

11/24/2010 10:31:56 AM

Doctor Whom

@Headache:

John Vennari gives as his contact information a PO box in New South Wales, Australia. I may be just a Seppo from the Benighted States, but at least I know how to click on a link.

11/24/2010 10:33:02 AM

DevilsChaplain

@Doctor Whom

Yeah that's what bigotry does--it rots your brain.

11/24/2010 10:39:01 AM

Sisyphus

Someone has never heard of "The Seven Daughters of Eve" by Brian Sykes. Our common ancestor may not be the Eve of the Bible but his research indicates we all share a great great great...... grandmother.

Also, how the fuck is the UN dependent on the ToE?

11/24/2010 10:52:24 AM

Xotan

Utter bullshit. Even the Vatican accepts that Genesis is allegorical. Some faith if it is so weak that it falls apart if a fairy tale is shown to be fiction.

11/24/2010 10:58:15 AM

Mister Spak

" If belief in Adam and Eve is destroyed, then our entire Catholic Faith falls to pieces. "

If belief in observable reality is destroyed then there will be no internet where you can post your drivel.

11/24/2010 11:05:04 AM



In most Christian faiths, Christ is seen as the redeemer for the sins one commits throughout one's life, not for original sin, so you not only fail at science, but also religion and the construction of a conspiracy theory.

11/24/2010 11:22:24 AM

Jesus Klingon

If your entire Catholic faith falls to pieces, good riddance.

11/24/2010 11:22:27 AM

GodotIsWaiting4U

"IF EVOLUTION IS TRUE WE CAN'T CONTROL THE WORLD WAAAAAH"

11/24/2010 11:31:04 AM

Giardano Bruno

Dear God I am a catholic and know this is so wrong.

Back in the Fourth Century St Augustine said that Christians should not confront pagan scientists with scriptural arguments because you wind up looking very silly


11/24/2010 11:31:11 AM

Brenz

...this is word for word what I would write, but for the title and the last paragraph.

11/24/2010 12:03:13 PM
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