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[In response to "I wish more people would realize that we could shut these cartels down permanently with nothing more than a stroke of a pen. All we need to do is legalize the drugs they derive their profits from."]

you're kidding right? I guess we could end murder too by making killing legal and calling it by a different name..

Drugs directly and indirectly kill up to 350,000 Americans per year ( with a tripling of deaths in the past 5 years from LEGAL drugs like oxycodone, morphine, percocet etc) According to the US Dept of Labor and Statistics drug usage leads to billions in loss of productivity............I could go on like this all day, but it seems redundant to belabor the point--evil and sin lead to death and misery...it doesn't matter if it's a stroke of a pen by a human saying it is okay...sorceries and pharmaceuticals destroy lives..

jackson64, RR 73 Comments [11/29/2010 4:39:34 AM]
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Tempus

Sorceries?

"Proudly Marching into the Tenth Century" award.

11/29/2010 4:45:01 AM

Raised By Horses

Your double standards are showing. Deaths from tobacco consumption in America in a given year? 400,000+. And perfectly legal.

11/29/2010 5:03:21 AM

John_in_Oz

Protip: You don't have to post your IQ after your user-name.

11/29/2010 5:15:46 AM

Pule Thamex

Hmmm? It makes you wonder? Just what is the connection between fundamentalist cults and criminal cults? I think we should be told? I do know that both of them have quick get-a-ways planned. But what else? As I said, Hmmm?

11/29/2010 5:18:41 AM

Anon

This Fundie would even have been worth of having a serious discussion with. Drugs are dangerous (I've seen several horrible cases), and the solution to this problem is not easy. Of course, alcohol and tobacco are among the deadly drugs. But I won't prohibit alcohol (see the 20s for what happened), as I won't legalize cocaine (btw, the drug cartels won't let their obscene profits vapor away so easily). It's a very tricky, difficult, and dangerous topic.

But this Fundie immediately failed when he mentioned "evil and sin".

And at "sorceries" he lost completely any credibility he might have left.

11/29/2010 5:22:06 AM

Zeus Almighty

Is jackson64 the name Rush Limbaugh, aka Jabber the Hutt, uses when he's ranting on the internet tubes?

11/29/2010 5:22:32 AM

Doctor Whom

I guess we could end murder too by making killing legal and calling it by a different name..

You fail analogies forever. Also, in answer to your overall post, ever hear of something called Prohibition?

11/29/2010 5:25:52 AM

nutbunny

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Scaring people doesn't make it true.

11/29/2010 5:36:02 AM

Mister Spak

Acohol is the gateway drug. Most drug addicts started with alcohol.

Why hasn't anyone tried banning alcohol? It seem like that would eliminate all the problems.

(To all the non-American FSTDT readers, google 'prohibition')

11/29/2010 5:56:01 AM

Doubting Thomas

I was following their reasoning OK until I read the word "sorceries." What does witchcraft or magic have to do with drug usage? Or are we still living in the dark ages?

11/29/2010 6:15:08 AM

Mihangel apYrs

Having read the theead:

"you will know the are Xians by their love....."

11/29/2010 6:31:55 AM

SpukiKitty

To Doubting Thomas: The Drugs/Sorceries thing involves the original texts & translations. When Bible translations use the word "Sorcery", it's a translation of the Greek word Pharmakiea (sic) where we get the word "Pharmacy" & "Pharmaceutials" from. This could be explained as either a reference to ritual ethnobotanical use, like the use of Peyote, for example (thus an anti-Occult/Paganism thing) or another case of "Mistranslating to manipulate the masses" such as with "Thou shalt not suffer a Poisoner/Witch to live".


11/29/2010 7:08:50 AM

Xotan

Wasn't a certain founder of a religion also a great maker of the drug booze?

11/29/2010 7:19:38 AM

TGRwulf

Drugs are sorcery now? I suppose that shouldn't surprise me coming from Rapture Ready, but still...

Also, there will always be people who abuse substances, but NOT AS MANY will if you legalize drugs. Also, like the person before the OP said, that is how you put the cartels and crimelords out of business is by taking their business FROM them.

11/29/2010 7:28:41 AM

JSS

Two times in a row the patented lavender RaptureReady Smiley Stare of Shock has haunted us.

11/29/2010 7:38:20 AM

Brendan Rizzo

Did you learn nothing from Prohibition?

Legalize the drugs and people have no reason to give money to criminal organizations, and they simply die off. And nice bit of anti-science ignorance there.

11/29/2010 7:45:12 AM

breakerslion

"Drugs directly and indirectly kill up to 350,000 Americans per year" (emphasis added)

Yes. That would be if you factor in drunk driving, gang-related assassination, armed robbery to support a drug habit, accidental overdose caused by lack of standards, etc. Your argument is flawed. I'm calling my local witch doctor to put a hex on you.

11/29/2010 7:55:51 AM

dingo

@TGR Wolf
"NOT AS MANY"? Cigarettes, Alcohol; chain smokers, alcoholics. Forgot about them?

@TGR Wolf and BrendanRizzo
Drug cartels would just become the corporations that would farm, package, market and sell the drugs. Did you see alcohol makers shrivel up and die after Prohibition ended? They flourished, still are.

11/29/2010 7:59:54 AM

Anon-e-moose

"you're kidding right? I guess we could end murder too by making killing legal and calling it by a different name.."

But you already have. Abu Ghraib and Guantanamo Bay ring any bells? One word: Rendition. I hear Al-Qaeda does the same, re their POWs, constantly moving them so as to evade recapture; so that makes it alright. Amirite, Buzzardnuts? (PROTIP: the Japanese in WWII and Vietcong waterboarded captured US troops, Buzzy).

'He who fights with monsters should take care lest he becomes a monster. And if you gaze into the abyss, the abyss gazes also into you.'

-Friedrich Nietzsche

Not for nothing is your God Emperor of Fucking Up, George Dumbya Bush, known as 'Daddy's Little War Criminal' eh, Ruptured Retards?!

"Drugs directly and indirectly kill up to 350,000 Americans per year ( with a tripling of deaths in the past 5 years from LEGAL drugs like oxycodone, morphine, percocet etc)"

Now if only that hypocritical right-wing blubberbag Rush Limburger could join those statistics...

"I could go on like this all day, but it seems redundant to belabor the point"

As you lot do re. abortion, but Roe vs. Wade ensures your continued butthurt will avail you naught (PROTIP: Why haven't your GOP repealed* RvW & banned abortion before now? Since Nixon, they've had plenty of time to do so. You do the maths). Also your claims that 'America is a Christian country' when the Constitution and the Treaty of Tripoli says otherwise. And your continued reiterateration that 'Biblical Creation' is so because God says so in the Bible, despite your denial of Kitzmiller vs. Dover proving otherwise. Evolution is fact. Creationism is lies. The law says so.

"evil and sin lead to death and misery..."

As proved by the continued interference in peoples' lives by you fundies & the GOP. Matthew 6:6 ring any bells?

"it doesn't matter if it's a stroke of a pen by a human saying it is okay...sorceries and pharmaceuticals destroy lives.."

You fundies refer to we Atheists as sorcerors, as we're in the thrall of Satan & his demons. Yet, I, an Atheist, have never taken anything stronger than what my physician has prescribed me (and even then, the worst that happened was some slight drowsiness; certainly not anything that'd get me addicted). But then, like I say:

If only the one life destroyed by pharmaceuticals was that of Rush Limburger.

*- And if you're so concerned about murder becoming effectively legal, why aren't you & your fundie ilk lobbying your GOP to repeal the 2nd Amendment, hmmmmm?! There's far more people being killed every year in the US than by drugs - and not just by the legal drugs alcohol & tobacco (PROTIP: Nicotine is the most addictive substance on the planet; I'm glad I never took up smoking; the best way to give up something is not to start in the first place). So why not ban said biggest killer: firearms? Aye, there's the rub...!

Enjoy your paradox. And your hypocrisy, Ruptured Retards.

11/29/2010 8:08:49 AM



FFS, your argument would have been somewhat valid/interesting to debate if you hadn't gone into discussing "evil and sin" and "sorcery".

11/29/2010 8:13:26 AM

Papabear

If we spent half the money we spend on suppression of illegal drug on drug education and treatment we would be billions ahead. As for "sorceries," I think they are pretty well suppressed already.

11/29/2010 8:13:40 AM

GodotIsWaiting4U

Someone doesn't understand that part of the draw of illegal drugs is in their illegality.

Now, personally, I don't advocate legalizing ALL drugs, but the less harmful stuff like marijuana? Go for it. Really. Teach people to treat that stuff responsibly rather than acting like every little bit of it is horrifyingly irredeemable. Keep the really hard stuff like cocaine and heroin illegal, by all means (well, perhaps not cocaine), but weed really doesn't merit the restrictions placed upon it.

Now, that said, regulating a substance like marijuana is perfectly reasonable and necessary. It should be legal, but there should totally be strings attached. Here's why: when you regulate a substance instead of banning it entirely, the government is suddenly muscling in on the action, and the black market for the drug fades away. Why should people bother with obtaining the thing illegally when there's a perfectly legal method, unless they're going for some sort of stupid "stick it to the man" ideology (in which case they practically deserve to get caught).

11/29/2010 8:15:06 AM

TB Tabby

Did you see alcohol makers shrivel up and die after Prohibition ended? They flourished, still are.

And do they still make liquor so toxic that people can die or go blind from a single swig? Do they still get into bloody shootouts over territory? Nope. Why not? Because it was legalized. Legalization won't make drugs go away, but it will make the drugs safer and easier to control.

11/29/2010 8:51:23 AM

Godbuster

Okay, I can tell you have no clue because apparently, you still believe in sorcery.

Which is ridiculous.

11/29/2010 9:26:42 AM

Detrs

There's that whole medicine = sorcery thing again. Weird.

11/29/2010 9:32:26 AM
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