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[In response to "I wish more people would realize that we could shut these cartels down permanently with nothing more than a stroke of a pen. All we need to do is legalize the drugs they derive their profits from."]

you're kidding right? I guess we could end murder too by making killing legal and calling it by a different name..

Drugs directly and indirectly kill up to 350,000 Americans per year ( with a tripling of deaths in the past 5 years from LEGAL drugs like oxycodone, morphine, percocet etc) According to the US Dept of Labor and Statistics drug usage leads to billions in loss of productivity............I could go on like this all day, but it seems redundant to belabor the point--evil and sin lead to death and misery...it doesn't matter if it's a stroke of a pen by a human saying it is okay...sorceries and pharmaceuticals destroy lives..

jackson64, RR 73 Comments [11/29/2010 4:39:34 AM]
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Mrs. Antichrist

The fact that they're illegal is a huge contributing factor to those deaths.

A) If it's illegal, it's not regulated. A dealer gets the same sentence for trafficking regardless of the quality of the product he sells, meaning that he has zero incentive to make sure that he's not selling tainted or improperly mixed batches. Legal medications and drugs are safer because the government can regulate them by sending in safety inspectors and creating a health/safety code, leveling fines against those who break it.

B) Making it illegal causes addiction to be treated as a crime, rather than a medical problem. Throwing an addict in jail only makes the problem worse. These people need treatment, not prison time.

C) Gangs and mafias thrive on the sale of illegal drugs. Legalizing drugs wouldn't magically make these groups go away, but it would knock out a good chunk of their income, since most people would prefer to by from legit dealers instead of risking jail time. The truth of the matter is that outlawing alcohol and drugs creates more crime, it doesn't slow it down -- look at what liquor prohibition did for the mafia in the 20s.

D) It's easier for underage teens to get their hands on illegal substances than legal ones. Ask any kid which is easier: Finding weed, or finding alcohol. They'll tell you that it's the former, by a long shot. The people who peddle illegal drugs don't ask for ID, and rarely have any qualms about selling drugs to teenagers because, again, they have no incentive to card their buyers. Conversely, legit sellers DO ask for ID, in order to avoid fines and jail time.

11/29/2010 6:33:55 PM

Leliel

Not fundie.

I mean, it is fundie, but apart from a few lines, this is far, far saner then most RR posts.

11/29/2010 6:55:58 PM

Nowonmai

Hey asswipe, 44,000 Americans a year die due to lack of health care, but I would be my last dollar you voted no for public option. To me, that is a much evilier 'sin' than smoking a bit of pot.

So, you keep drinking your martinis, your drug of choice, and keep blathering. Wanna know how many people die because of alcohol?

11/29/2010 8:24:02 PM

pretty puppy

Not fundy...............

Oh wait, ends with sorceries and pharmaceuticals being to blame. Somehow, I don't think they mean to partially blame big pharma for high costs and restricting access.

*sigh*

11/29/2010 10:01:47 PM

Potentate Argyros

Not really fundie....

Sorceries? WTF???

On second thought...

11/29/2010 10:36:32 PM



Supply and demand retard.

If you legalize drugs and sell them at dirt cheap prices through the government then the supply skyrockets lowering the demand on the cartels thus running them out of business. It's completely theoretical but simple econ.

11/29/2010 10:56:16 PM

Tiado

Wait what? "Sorceries"?

Sorcery and pharmaceuticals... those things don't go together.

11/30/2010 12:13:36 AM

WMDKitty

Marijuana is far safer than many LEGAL drugs, yet it's on the list as a Schedule 3 substance -- right up there with heroin.

Cannabis SAVES lives.

11/30/2010 12:32:45 AM

The Jamo

Pffft. Dude! The people who take drugs will always find a way to get them, regardless of whether they're legal or not, and those who are no interested in drugs, like me and pretty much anyone else with a working brain, will not use them simply because they're legal. We have no interest in destroying ourselves, so let those who want to do it, do it. I am all for legalising drugs as I see nothing wrong with allowing people to make a choice, even if it leads them to death. If that's their choice then let them choose. I, for one, will not take drugs, drink alcohol or smoke tobacco. That's my choice.

11/30/2010 2:40:13 AM

ANALH

How does the US Dept of Labor and Statistics calculate this statistic? Unless it goes back in time and makes sure those people stay sober and watches them it can't have 100% certainty in that statistic.

Any valid calculation would have to factor in that many people who wouldn't be doing drugs would've spent all their time gambling, addicted to video games, addicted to the internet, etc. An addictive personality predisposes drug addiction so assuming that if it wasn't for drugs all of these people would be working and not completely absorbed in something else is foolish.

Furthermore, if the government can make laws against personal lifestyle choices on the grounds that people who make them are less productive then it follows that the government would have the authority to ban unemployment or even "slacking on the job" itself. It makes no sense to say the government can ban an activity that indirectly leads to a loss of productivity but can not ban something (unproductivity) that directly causes unproductivity.

11/30/2010 3:07:02 PM

katie5000

Pharmaceuticals have saved many lives, probably many more than they've taken. And look at how you've instinctively associated them, as chemical substances, with "evil" and "sin", so that this whole thing basically becomes another iteration of "science = bad". Why, oh, why do you guys hate science?? ><

That said, you had a pretty legit argument until you introduced the religion at the end. The stuff about the "evil" and "sin" is the type of personal sentiment that you want to leave out of a public discussion and keep to yourself when you debate.

By the way, perhaps you Christians wouldn't feel so "persecuted" if you didn't constantly throw your beliefs out into the public forum, where they can and do get ridiculed by those who think they are ridiculous. Basically, anything put out into the public sphere is fair game for criticism, so it would logically follow that if you won't feel comfortable with having a thing criticized, then don't put it into a place where it could be.

11/30/2010 4:27:34 PM

GigaGuess

Mrs. Antichrist said it far better than I could.

11/30/2010 4:29:06 PM

moose

"Drug usage leads to billions in loss of productivity"

I have always hated this ridiculous silly argument. I mean...golf causes "loss in productivity". Ask any doctor you see on the green on wednesday afternoon. ALso..vacation losed productivity. Lets eliminate vacation. And Holidays. I mean...what a silly argument.

11/30/2010 5:00:41 PM



Have you wondered that the drugs kill so many people because they misuse them and the crime associated to them because they're illegal?. Think before you open your mouth.

12/1/2010 4:20:55 AM

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Sad... It began as a coherent argument, and I can see the train of thought losing traction, then off over the cliff you go... The brain of a fundie is like that road over at Bolivia, a veritable graveyard of thought processes.

12/1/2010 6:56:16 AM



@TB Tabby
People do still go to moonshiners for bathtub gin.

And yes it will be weaker, you do not remove the dangerous aspects without removing the actual part of the drug that causes the effects.

12/1/2010 3:41:50 PM

The_Dude

^ Uhh yes removing the dangerous agents with which many drugs like Coke and Heroin are cut and replacing them with less dangerous substances does not alter the effectiveness at all but does oddly enough make then less likely to kill the user.

12/1/2010 7:10:41 PM

Worlder

On a community scale, a drug-free culture can be effectively maintained.

On a national scale, it is virtually impossible.

12/1/2010 9:25:55 PM

Shadoboy


Your analogy is bad and you should FEEL bad!

12/1/2010 10:48:48 PM

SeekerLancer

A wise man once said "They're going to do it anyway, we might as well legalize it so we can regulate and tax it."

Alcohol is a pretty terrible drug. When we made it illegal it caused a massive rise in organized crime mirrored only by Ronald Reagan's war on drugs.

12/2/2010 3:39:02 PM

Apatheist

I give you Portugal. They legalized use of all drugs and drug use has not increased and in many age groups has decreased.

9/6/2011 6:47:40 AM

Quantum Mechanic

BS

Tobacco kills 440,000 Americans a year.

MJ, zero.

11/1/2012 6:18:02 AM

Crimson Lizard

You are aware that caffeine is a drug, right?

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