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#1231212
tmarcl
Actually, we didn't share our bounty with them, it was the other way around. If anything, it's proof of how socialism works. The Natives offered help to the colonists without asking for anything in return. In the U.S., we demand people pay through the nose for the most basic of services.
12/2/2010 6:12:31 AM
#1231214
Slater
@Anon:
> "And BTW: Socialism failed in 1989."
What? Socialism never failed, it's working in many countries around the world right now, and in many cases much better than the US.
Communism would be more correct, though still not entirely - that's also working right now, though not well by our standards - but what's caused communism to fail has never been communism itself but the dictatorship that has, historically, always been tied to it.
12/2/2010 6:31:09 AM
#1231220
Unbeliever
@ Slater:
Communism would be more correct, though still not entirely - that's also working right now, though not well by our standards - but what's caused communism to fail has never been communism itself but the dictatorship that has, historically, always been tied to it.
Communism is impossible without dictatorship. Look at Lenin's works - the first attempt to implement communism in real life. He quickly came to the conclusion that communism is not possible unless the government controls every single aspect of people's life.
12/2/2010 7:16:03 AM
#1231221
Timmythepirate
This was crazy, but I wouldn't say it's fundie.
12/2/2010 7:16:57 AM
#1231224
Unbeliever
Deleting double comment.
12/2/2010 7:35:42 AM
#1231312
Average Guy
I'd call Rush Limbaugh a Poe, if it wasn't for the fact that he actually exists.
12/2/2010 10:11:23 AM
#1231387
Professor M
@ Anon-e-moose --
Trying to push ideological balance in the U.S. wouldn't work so well -- it would lead to requirements that the far-right and the center-right be given equal time. That's about all our "political spectrum" consists of these days, if you look at power and media coverage.
12/2/2010 1:26:29 PM
#1231396
SeekerLancer
Though the usual telling of Thanksgiving is pretty historically inaccurate and often argued about especially with the protests of Native American groups, we all know that the version that the holiday is based on is meant to teach a lesson about compassion, sharing, and being grateful for what you have. These are noble things that should be celebrated.
Rush Limbaugh on the other hand can't even eat a damn Turkey with his family without vomiting political rhetoric.
12/2/2010 1:42:23 PM
#1231432
Aemos
This guy is fucking sick, is disgusting.
12/2/2010 2:44:32 PM
#1231465
Amadaun
Dude. Historical revisionism much? The last line put me past any tolerance. 'We' "shared our bounty"? What? What do you think the Indians got? Reservations, dumbass. Look, the Plymouth settlers died by the scores because they didn't know what they were doing. The Wampanoags did help them out.
Eventually there was a war, and the Wampanoags slowly lost everything. 'We' were in fact invaders. That's how it works. Obama didn't mention it because he's trying to be positive, but it's true. Why are you objecting to that thing he didn't actually say?
Are you suffering from hormone fluctuations? I'm mostly prone to crying when that happens to me, but I know some people turn into total irrational bitches.
12/2/2010 3:41:08 PM
#1231474
Evilution Teacher
I hate him so very very much. My Sioux ancestors would like a word with him as well.
12/2/2010 3:52:11 PM
#1231611
The story of Thanksgiving parallels the Farmer and the Viper.
The Natives helped the early colonists not out of faith (religion did not have time to spread) but purely out of goodwill and concern for their fellow human being.
What did it earn them? Their grandchildren murdered, their land taken, and their kindness forgotten.
The Aesop of Thanksgiving is that no good deed goes unpunished and selfishness and greed will always triumph over altruism.
Perhaps Rush is properly channeling the true spirit of Thanksgiving.
12/3/2010 2:01:33 AM
#1231614
Burning Stake
The radio host chimed in, "So, we were the invaders. The Indians were minding their own business. We were incompetent idiots. We didn't know how to feed ourselves so they came along and showed us how and that's what Thanksgiving is all about."
Um, most people in the US know that that is the true story of Thanksgiving...so was he actually being sarcastic about it? Wow, dumbass for the lose!
"The true story of Thanksgiving is how socialism failed," the radio host tells a caller...
Tell that to Europe, dumbass.
12/3/2010 2:40:36 AM
#1231615
Slater
@Unbeliever:
"Communism is impossible without dictatorship."
I agree, though I think we can get very close to it without the need for dictatorship. Perhaps some sort of contract would be possible - you know, you get 10 years of support and education in return for working at least 10 years in the country? Doesn't matter.
The point, as you probably know, was just that communism hasn't officially failed yet, because it's never been tried on its own.
And socialism certainly hasn't failed.
12/3/2010 2:57:50 AM
#1231616
Talking about cliches, what about the cliche that the countries which don't agree with US are communist?(by the way, how did they defeat an ideology not born then?), or that the whites are the real Americans?, or that the native Americans only devote themselves to Casinos or reservations(as if their clients were taken at gunpoint?)
12/3/2010 3:19:40 AM
#1231667
Unbeliever
@ Slater:
I agree, though I think we can get very close to it without the need for dictatorship. Perhaps some sort of contract would be possible - you know, you get 10 years of support and education in return for working at least 10 years in the country? Doesn't matter.
10 years of automatic slavery in exchange for 10 years of support. Great idea.
The point, as you probably know, was just that communism hasn't officially failed yet, because it's never been tried on its own.
And socialism certainly hasn't failed.
But it was tried, with Stalin and Pol Pot as results.
EDIT: Stalin is a bad choice. Lenin would be more proper, as the one who created the basis for Stalin to rise to power.
12/3/2010 6:54:14 AM
#1231764
Raised By Horses
The price we pay for free speech, people. I ain't sayin' it's pretty, but it's better than the alternative.
12/3/2010 11:42:31 AM
#1231788
Slater
@Unbeliever
What? I'm fairly certain you just admitted communism has never been tried without the dictatorship-parts. Now you're claiming it has and has failed?
12/3/2010 1:05:40 PM
#1231792
Unbeliever
@ Slater:
What? I'm fairly certain you just admitted communism has never been tried without the dictatorship-parts. Now you're claiming it has and has failed?
Sorry, my bad. Misunderstood what you said. What I am stating is communism is impossible without dictatorship. Pretty much any condition when people are not allowed to private property will inevitably cause dictatorship.
12/3/2010 1:33:32 PM
#1231880
TheJebusFire
Rush has been taking too many pills.
12/3/2010 8:33:29 PM
#1231933
Exerci
Eh, he's just a white man who has no grasp of his own history. What surprises me is how he can be so influential while having such a lack of oxygen to the brain.
12/4/2010 6:31:45 AM
#1231994
Anon
*Limbaugh added, "…at their casinos and on their reservations." *
...REALLY, dude? Reservations weren't instated until during about the gold rush. This guys smoking SOMETHING and whatever it is I want some....
12/4/2010 9:51:02 AM
#1232008
Anon-e-moose
@Professor M
"@ Anon-e-moose --
Trying to push ideological balance in the U.S. wouldn't work so well -- it would lead to requirements that the far-right and the center-right be given equal time. That's about all our "political spectrum" consists of these days, if you look at power and media coverage."
Maybe, but such an addendum would at least force Faux News to be truly 'fair and balanced' - if they simultaneously had to praise and criticise Obama & his policies. And rip the piss out of Failin, as well as praise her (or at least be neutral, like BBC News; who wants 'opinions' in news programmes, anyway?). They'd either have to close down or suffer cranial explosions. >:D
Oh, re. my previous post, and Fred Phelps & his WBC. Now that we have a Con-Lib pact government, and that Labour's Jacqui Smith is no longer Home Secretary, I guess her banning the WBC from entering the UK is no longer in force. So I wonder why those filthbags aren't on the first flight over here?
Could their conspicuousness by their absence be due to the fact that the UK has on our statute books something called Section 5 of the Public Order Act? Which gives police the wide-ranging legal power to arrest anyone who uses foul, disgusting, and/or provocative language deliberately designed to outrage individual and/or community decency in public (which is why these days, don't even think about saying 'Fuck Off!' to one of our officers!).
So, if Fred & co. want to do here what they usually do in the US, they'd have no choice but to have completely different placards (so as not to insult people, or thus run afoul of Section 5): 'God loves Gays', 'God hates the 9/11 terrorists', 'God loves the British armed forces', 'God hates IEDs' and so on. And, like I say, for Atheistic balance. 'God doesn't exist'. Certainly not use any of their usual fundie inflammatory language; probably why the raving steet preachers here no longer condemn peole to 'Hell', as saying that - subject to Section 5 - can be considered inflammatory (pun may or may not be intended). So that's probably why they're not here.
Forced balance. We has it, Freddy-boy. Do you?
>:D
12/4/2010 10:31:13 AM
#1232234
PFN
Definitley, its all about socialism. How was I so blind?
12/5/2010 9:48:17 AM
#1232327
Potentate Argyros
Is there any way we could just ship this asshole, along with fellow assholes Glenn Beck and Sarah Palin to a different planet?
12/5/2010 12:54:15 PM
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