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And yet the research suggests the troops are fine with gays in their units.
It seems the fundies think our troops are shrinking violets that can't handle the gay. I sense a lot of projection here ...
12/4/2010 6:17:32 AM
Percy Q. Shunn
Well, I'm a combat veteran, and served with some gay men in my unit; they were one and all above reproach. I would willingly trust my life to them again. I think they would feel the same way about me. The military is a brotherhood, not a fucking meatmarket. Had you ever served, you'd know that. Instead, you hide behind your silly christ-stain ideals and sit in judgement of others. You are the quintesential republican coward.
12/4/2010 6:29:15 AM
I really, really want to know how HIV or other STD's are spread in foxholes without sexual contact. Only if you're in serious denial about engaging in gay sex, I'm sure.
12/4/2010 6:33:50 AM
WTF is it with straight men thinking all gay men want them?
12/4/2010 6:41:02 AM
You would have to share a lot more than a foxhole to catch STDs. The myth of the aggressive homosexual male coming on to obviously heterosexual males is old and busted.
As to effeminate males, I've known plenty that were most assuredly not gay and none of them had any inclination to join the military.
12/4/2010 6:59:26 AM
I've wondered that myself (hell, it gets mentioned in an episode of "Glee"). I think it's got a lot to do with projection and fear:
1) These men are afraid to be desired by another man as that makes them "femminine" - and being the usual insecure macho borderline-mysoginist types, they're insecure with that.
2) These men project their own sexual desires onto others. Down deep they know they're pretty randy, so they assume others are.
3) Your usual repressed homosexuality struggling to get out.
12/4/2010 7:06:54 AM
you have never served in the military OR had another guy come on to you. I bet you live in the basement of your church.
12/4/2010 7:20:20 AM
Actually, I have a Christian family friend who's one of those "gay have every right to be together but not to get married" people who serves in the millitary. And you know who he said he feared the most of ruining unit cohesion? FUNDIE CHRISTIANS! No joke. Even your fellow homophobes from your own religion would rather have someone who's gay watching their back than you.
12/4/2010 7:20:58 AM
And I bet women shouldn't serve because you'd be distracted by their boobies, amirite?
Since when did they let middle schoolers join the military?
12/4/2010 7:28:37 AM
WTF do you do in foxholes?
12/4/2010 7:43:51 AM
Jezebel's Evil Sister
Uhm, I don't think "foxhole" means what you seem to think it means.
12/4/2010 7:55:28 AM
Ooh, is "sharing a foxhole" some sort of an euphemism? Because if its not, then I have no idea how can it cause you to contract STD.
12/4/2010 8:15:01 AM
As an active duty military man who has served in combat zones and served with men who I knew are gay, I have absolutely no problem serving with openly gay men.
12/4/2010 8:25:45 AM
“People who have not served in the military, especially those that have not been in combat, have no clue what having an openly gay person coming on to you does to unit cohesion.”
Get over yourself. You are not that desirable.
“And, this does not even address the issues of HIV and other STD's... Or other things that do not require intimate contact but merely sharing a foxhole...”
Because only gay men carry blood-borne pathogens?
12/4/2010 9:21:29 AM
My father is a military man and tells me that a gay man can be as combatant as a heterosexual one Let me guess?, you're not in the military. Let alone that you have a clue of how HIV or STDs are transmitted.
12/4/2010 9:24:18 AM
And you know who he said he feared the most of ruining unit cohesion? FUNDIE CHRISTIANS!
My partner was in combat in the USAF, and he says the same thing.
12/4/2010 9:26:25 AM
Considering the pentagon's own research showed overwhelming support for openly gay troops among our men and women in the armed forces I'd have to say you're totally full of shit.
I'd have to agree with some of the above posters, I can see how fundies preaching and proselytizing to people of different faiths or non-believers could destroy unit cohesion.
12/4/2010 9:38:15 AM
Or other things that do not require intimate contact but merely sharing a foxhole...
Do tell on these supposed "other things." Besides knowing that someone a little different than yourself merely exists.
12/4/2010 10:03:55 AM
I really don't understand why fundies think gay men are having sex with any male that will stand still long enough. Is it some sort of repressed fantasy they have?
The open gays I know don't come onto complete strangers.
And, you know. Not ALL gay men act effeminate. Just saying. Do your research next time, okay?
12/4/2010 10:26:47 AM
I'm going to take a slightly different take on this one, since I am a straight man who has had a gay man come on to him. You know how I responded? I told him I was flattered and politely turned him down. That was the end of it and we're still good friends; we occasionally tease each other and generally enjoy laughing at ourselves.
So tell me what's wrong with this entire set-up?
12/4/2010 10:37:57 AM
Really? Because most of the people IN the military who have been surveyed about this have said they're okay with it. So you lose.
Pic related; it's a gay soldier.
12/4/2010 11:00:32 AM
"People who have not served in the military, especially those that have not been in combat, have no clue what having an openly gay person coming on to you does to unit cohesion. It's bad enough if you have an effeminate acting male. But, "openly" usually means the ones that are not shy about coming on to total strangers.
And, this does not even address the issues of HIV and other STD's... Or other things that do not require intimate contact but merely sharing a foxhole..."
My nephew is in the East Yorkshire Regiment, currently serving in Afghanistan. He, and everyone else knows there's a few gay squaddies in his regiment. He - and everyone else - doesn't care. One reason why he - and they - don't care, is that said gay soldiers don't 'come on' to them. And why should they? They're just like everyone else. Fellow squaddies. Who'll muck in like everyone else. Who'll be there to back up their straight squadmates - and save innocent civilian lives - when it gets messy out there. PROTIP: Do a little military history research. One Word: Spartans.
And this does not even address the issues of AK-47 fire and IEDs. Because you've clearly never been in those situations eh, SpiritualMadMan? (with the emphasis on Mad)
Until you have, you don't even have the right to criticise these brave soldiers, out there risking their lives for the likes of you 'Armchair Generals'. Unless you're willing to prove me wrong.
That US Armed Forces recruitment office is calling you. Go on, you know you want to...!
12/4/2010 11:13:42 AM
Yes because when you're getting shot at in the line of battle all gay men are thinking about is having sex with their platoon mates.
12/4/2010 11:28:20 AM
What are the odd that you have never even met anyone who has served in an actual military outfit?
12/4/2010 12:10:59 PM
No, 'openly' means we don't hide the fact that we're gay. It does not mean we hit on strangers all the time. In fact that seems to be a remarkably straight-centric behavior in my experience. I don't know anyone in my circle who is gay and hits on strangers, ever, and that includes myself. Though that could also be due to my circle of friends being comprised largely of geeky types who want to get to know you a while before they work up nerve ask you out.
12/4/2010 12:15:37 PM
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