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"If evolutionists really had the evidence, they wouldn't need to rule out alternative explanations by decree, and invoke legal bully-boys like the ACLU who scream blue murder if their pet theory is challenged..."

Jonathan Sarfati, New Mexicans for Science and Reason 58 Comments [12/5/2010 10:21:17 AM]
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Brendan Rizzo

But they do have the evidence, and don't rule out alternative explanations by decree. What they do rule out are unscientific explanations, because biology is science. Why is that so difficult for creationists to understand?

12/5/2010 10:22:46 AM

Sisyphus

Irony. Thy name is John Sarfati.

12/5/2010 10:48:30 AM

carmen sandiego

what is blue murder?

(aside from a british metal band)

12/5/2010 10:53:10 AM

JSS



[size=14]Oh no, not again...[/size]


12/5/2010 10:56:41 AM

FMG

No. Because the vast majority of people do not understand science. Much like how a carpenter cannot understand the job of an electrician or how a lawyer cannot teach medicine to a doctor, you cannot dictate what is taught in science because "you don't quite know what science is all about".

12/5/2010 10:57:49 AM



You're lying Jonathan. Lying for Jesus. It's unbecoming. Please stop.

12/5/2010 10:58:02 AM

D Laurier

If evolutionists exist, then Sarfati can talk about them... till then fuck off.

Meanwhile REAL people see evolution taking place every day.

12/5/2010 11:01:11 AM

Canadiest

It's because of evidence they don't have to teach all the fantasy, and certainly not Biblical creation as that is religion and not even an explanation.

12/5/2010 11:24:22 AM

aaa

Not pictured: Science and Reason.

12/5/2010 11:24:33 AM

Berny

If creationism had any validity, it would be visible in the geological, astronomical, and biological records.
The mistake people like you make is to think that creationism is as valid a theory as evolution. It isn't. Anymore than flat earth theory is the equal of a spherical earth, or geocentricism is the equal of heliocentricism.
All are thoroughly debunked by the available evidence.

12/5/2010 11:25:28 AM

John_in_Oz

It's the evidence that rules out the fairy tales.

12/5/2010 11:44:49 AM

Think or GTFO

They have the evidence, nitwit. You do not.

12/5/2010 11:50:48 AM

Papabear

We don't rule out your right to say anything insane thing you want about anything, we just don't want you to teach our children your hogwash.

We don't scream when theories are challenged. We scream when non-evidence is presented as evidence and when facts are denied.

12/5/2010 11:59:28 AM

John

There's no law prohibiting the challenging of evolution. What is prohibited is proposing alternatives that rely upon accepting someone's religious beliefs. You're allowed to teach problems with evolution (provided of course that they are legitimate arguments, not argument-from-ignorance fallacies). You're not allowed to teach public school children your religious beliefs in science class.

12/5/2010 12:05:19 PM

Alleyprowler

Like I told a friend recently, reality is what's still there even if you don't believe in it.

Forgive me if this is a stupid question, but what is their fucking problem with the ACLU?

12/5/2010 12:13:20 PM

TGRwulf

What's that? I had a hard time hearing you under this mountain of evidence!

And yeah, because the ALCU never fight for the Christians... oh wait.

12/5/2010 12:15:44 PM

Doctor Whom

If creationists really had the evidence, they would be able to provide secular reasons for teaching their alternative explanation, in which case their problem would be solved.

12/5/2010 12:21:44 PM

Mudak

Ya know, Jonathan, your proposal is a double-edged sword. Ignore baseless opinions on evolution like yours, and we get the "what are they afraid of" lines. Engage them in an attempt at civilized discussions of the facts, and you get logical fallacies like the argument from incredulity and ad hominem attacks.

12/5/2010 2:27:37 PM

WWWWolf

>If evolutionists really had the evidence, they wouldn't need to rule out alternative explanations by decree, and invoke legal bully-boys like the ACLU who scream blue murder if their pet theory is challenged...

Oh, but they did rule out the alternative explanations without the need of a decree.

They just need the legal bully boys because you nitwits didn't believe it nicely without such a decree and tried to sneak already debunked rubbish back in.

12/5/2010 2:39:47 PM

Tempus

"If evolutionists really had the evidence, they wouldn't need to rule out alternative explanations by decree, and invoke legal bully-boys like the ACLU who scream blue murder if their pet theory is challenged..."

How the hell is your brain not exploding from the sheer force of the cognitive dissonance?





12/5/2010 3:33:24 PM

GodotIsWaiting4U

They rule out WRONG explanations with evidence, no matter how much the proponents of those explanations whine about it.

12/5/2010 3:49:24 PM

Mycoid Mike

What decree? We don't teach creationism in biology classes for the same reason we don't teach flat-earth theory in geography classes.

12/5/2010 3:50:33 PM

Old Viking

Johnathan, your evidence was presented in the Dover, Pa., trial and was laughed out of court.

12/5/2010 3:52:39 PM

TB Tabby

If Creationists really had the evidence, they wouldn't need to scream persecution when their claims are rejected. They would submit their evidence to peer-reviewed scientific journals and gain support for their theories, just like Lynn Margolis did.

12/5/2010 5:45:01 PM

Doubting Thomas

When has the ACLU ever silenced anyone challenging evolutionary theory? I mean really?

12/5/2010 8:16:34 PM
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