Many Witches do agree that evil spirits exist. But what they do not acknowledge is that Satan is alive and well. They believe that he is just a creation of the church and has no bearing or influence on their lives. Therefore, if you don't believe in something it does not exist. Some Witches do believe in the God of the bible and Jesus. But they believe that Jesus was just a good teacher and use parts of the bible to justify what they believe. They call themselves Christian witches or born again Pagans! Like many so-called Christian denominations, they twist and distort the word to fit what they want to believe. However, Gods word says that Satan does in fact exist and that he is the deceiver of the world. Yes there is a spirit world but it is not to be contacted. Calling on the spirit world will only bring up demons. There are no good spirits and they do not inhabit the elements. There are no gods or goddesses. There is a horned god and his name is not Pan. It is Lucifer. Aka Satan!
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"There are no gods or goddesses."
So you're an atheist.
"There is a horned god and his name is not Pan. It is Lucifer. Aka Satan!"
So now there are gods and goddesses. And Satan is one. So you're a Satanist?
An atheist and a Satanist. Exactly the contradictory position they accuse us of holding. Ironic, no?
"However, Gods word says that Satan does in fact exist and that he is the deceiver of the world."
Which is ironic, since any decent reading of "God's word" exposes him to be everything you ever imagined Satan to be. And sure enough, those stories are what have inspired cruelty and atrocity and misery for thousands of years. And yet people are still blindly fooled into following it, because the blame for all the suffering it causes is always pinned on some other being.
So tell me again who the great deceiver of the world really is?
@fundie
There are no gods or goddesses.
Are you sure you want to say that? I mean that also means that you say Yahweh, Elohim, Jehovah, whatever you call the Christian god is imaginary as well.
@Swede
Here you go:
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Like many so-called Christian denominations, they twist and distort the word to fit what they want to believe.
Change the word "many" to "all" and I'll agree with you.
On top of the "there are no gods" comment, he also says there are no good spirits, meaning no angels or Holy Ghost, right?
so, when you spoke to these Witches in order to gain this insight, did you kill them afterward or did you, "Suffer them to live", as the Bible puts it?
Though I agree with everyone that Jon Watkins is a moron I'm a little disturbed by the ridicule of witches,neopaganism & magick. Look, I'm a Theist, a Wiccan even. I have nothing but the utmost respect & tolerance for Atheists...but all of this talk of Theism as something to be laughed at & phrases like "Sky Fairy", "Sky Pixie", etc. is rather childish. Look, you respect my Theism & I'll respect your Atheism....otherwise you're no different than the fundies we both mock. Thank you.
@PapaBear
We're not all looney.
So, let me guess, we should put these witches to death for not believing the same thing as you, right? Don't want to go against the bible where it says "suffer not a witch to live."
Especially that damned old Eudora who was always casting spells on Darren.
Wicca and Witchcraft don't work that way. Incidentally, neither does Satanism.
Take yer fuckin' meds, plz.
"Therefore, if you don't believe in something it does not exist."
No, you've got it backwards. The reason many people don't believe in your fairy tales is because there isn't any evidence for them.
@ Berny
I wouldn't say it was to paint paganism as evil, just another adaptation of the popular faith of the time. After all, they took pagan yule and such to link their holidays to times and traditions the people already celebrated.
Most Christians don't know or deny this thoough, leading to this fundy's rant
Spuki, thank you. That's been bugging me for quite some time too.
As for Jon Watkins: PAGANISM DOES NOT WORK THAT WAY!!! </morbo>
I know that the PTB's only show themselves in forms that individual humans are willing to accept, but now im sort of wishing Pan or Cernunnos or Dionysus would visit this guy and give him a verbal smackdown.
Or better yet, one of the horned gods hand-in-hand with Jesus. Can you imagine how Johnny boy would react to that?! He'd jump right out of his skin!
" Like many so-called Christian denominations, they twist and distort the word to fit what they want to believe. "
And you are in a christian denomination are you not . . . .
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"...they twist and distort the word to fit what they want to believe."
The essence of Cherry picking, at which Christians are adept, especially whenit comes to Leviticus. Shellfish, anyone?
Like many so-called Christian denominations, they twist and distort the word to fit what they want to believe.
You mean like every denomination ever. Unless you make a habit of stoning disobedient children and hospital workers who work on Sundays. Actually, if you think the sabbath is on Sunday then you're already twisting god's supposed word.
Yeah, but Christians used to call everything that wasn't their religion satanism, or pagan.
Christian: What's this?
Dude: It's a ritual for a better harvest!
Christian: SATANISM!! WAAAAH!!!... and WHAT is this?
Dude 2: I'm baking bread.
Christian: SATANISM!!! WAAAAAAAAAH!!! *faints*
My ex was both an evil spirit and a witch. About as loopy as they come.
[SpukiKitty]
"Look, you respect my Theism & I'll respect your Atheism....otherwise you're no different than the fundies we both mock. Thank you."
Awriiight! Fundie war!
Here you go, your very own do-it-yourself circular reasoning kit. Just copy and paste any words you like into this template:
#1. Evil spirits exist. How do we know this? See point #2.
#2. Witches believe in evil spirits. How do we know this? See point #1.
Also:
"Therefore, if you don't believe in something it does not exist."
"Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away."
-Philip K. Dick
[There is a horned god and his name is not Pan.]
Lucifer isn't a "horned god". He's a fallen angel who can still keep up his "angel of light" apperance to decieve people. Of course, if you actually read your bible you would know that.
1) you just admitted that there IS NO GOD.
2) the horned god of Wiccan and Pagan mythos is called the 'Green Man'. he is the companion of the Goddess, and in some cases they are one and the same, in which case she is referred to as 'the Lady of the Wood'. This horned deity did not have devil horns. They had antlers. Like a deer. Until you dickwads decided to convert them by force by shaving down the antlers to make bullish horns, something more sinister.
Did you know that no where in the entire bible does it say that Satan has horns?
Confused?
So were we! You can find all of this, and more, on Fundies Say the Darndest Things!
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