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A Note to American Atheists

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As we enter the Christmas season, atheist groups are lining up again to bash Christianity.

A group called American Atheists purchased a billboard in New Jersey that shows a silhouette of the Three Wise Men approaching the Nativity. Underneath is written, “You KNOW it’s a Myth. This Season, Celebrate REASON!”

It’s interesting that this same hostility isn’t displayed against Muslims during Ramadan or towards Jews during their Holy Days.

Apparently the American Atheists are ignorant of the fact that history proves Christ’s birth is not a myth. Jesus is not only the promised Messiah, God born of human flesh, he is the crucified and risen Savior of the World. Over three hundred fulfilled biblical prophecies, corroborated by non-Christian sources and eyewitness testimony are stubborn facts atheists simply pretend aren’t there.

Atheists seem to hold a deep-seated, irrational resentment against Christmas and the joyous message of salvation that it declares. They are apparently too proud to admit their sin and need of a Savior, so they flee to “REASON.” Yet, their atheistic reasoning is so inconsistent and depressing.

I have always wondered why atheists spend money on billboards to try to persuade others of their position if they really believe their own ideology. According to honest atheists, if there is no God logic dictates there is no truth, right or wrong, or meaning.

Yet some atheists are compelled to live as if what they think is true, and that their lives actually do matter. It looks to me like they didn’t read their Nietzsche very closely and can’t live according to “REASON” after all.

Gary Cass , DefendChristians.org 96 Comments [12/6/2010 4:10:37 AM]
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Churchy LaFemme

>>Over three hundred fulfilled biblical prophecies, corroborated by non-Christian sources and eyewitness testimony are stubborn facts atheists simply pretend aren’t there. <<

Over 300?? How about providing even one! Or are you referring to those highly specific biblical prophecies such as "things will change."

>>Yet, their atheistic reasoning is so inconsistent and depressing.<<

What's so inconsistent about "there's no proof that God exists?" It's only depressing if you can't deal with existence without your imaginary friend.

>>I have always wondered why atheists spend money on billboards to try to persuade others of their position if they really believe their own ideology.<<

You mean like those Christians spending money on billboards announcing the impending Return of Jesus?

>>According to honest atheists, if there is no God logic dictates there is no truth, right or wrong, or meaning. <<

You've never talked to an honest atheist, have you?

>>Yet some atheists are compelled to live as if what they think is true, and that their lives actually do matter. <<

How dare they???


12/6/2010 4:22:29 AM

Mudak

All right. I'll just ask one question: if the Jesus story really is true, why did Joseph need to go to the city where his father was born in order to participate in the census? Seems a bit if an irrational requirement.

12/6/2010 4:35:52 AM

messy

@Mudak

My understanding is that there was a prophecy stating that the Messiah would be born in Bethlehem, so that is where Mary and Joseph had to go in order that the prophecy should be fulfilled. Match-fixing, basically.

12/6/2010 4:54:29 AM

LOLWUT

Even is atheism is cripplingly depressing, hopelessly empty, utterly meanless and causes it's adherents to live shallow, hedonistic and violently destructive lifestyle's, that still doesn't actually prove it wrong.

And yes, atheism can inspire people to follow these things. I have no problem admitting it.

12/6/2010 5:26:59 AM

LDM

There are christian billboards up all over the Kansas City area, but you don't hear people crying about it in this religiously diverse community. Other people beside christians are allowed to express their views, get over it.

And I do believe Jesus existed, and was a great philosopher. I just don't believe he's coming back, I don't believe I'm going to get thrown into a pit of fire for all eternity if I don't kiss his ass every minute of every day, and I do believe that if he were to come back today he would be mortified at the way the right has twisted his message around to suit their agenda of hate and bullying.


12/6/2010 5:33:36 AM

christian leftie

Fine then, provide me the "proof".

Although then that would mean we don't have faith, but knowledge. So you're really saying you have no faith?

12/6/2010 5:38:32 AM

nutbunny

"...Christmas and the joyous message of salvation that it declares."

Mr Monkton once made some stationery about "The Shoes of Salvation"

Funny as all hell

12/6/2010 5:39:28 AM

Mister Spak

"Apparently the American Atheists are ignorant of the fact that history proves Christ’s birth is not a myth. Jesus is not only the promised Messiah, God born of human flesh, he is the crucified and risen Savior of the World. Over three hundred fulfilled biblical prophecies, corroborated by non-Christian sources and eyewitness testimony are stubborn facts atheists simply pretend aren’t there. "

Apparently the American christianists are ignorant of the fact that Mohammed is the last prophet, and Allah has no partners or sons or spirit. The koran has never been proven wrong in the smallest way, in spite of the untiring efforst of millions of infidels like Gary Cass.

12/6/2010 6:05:10 AM

Doctor Whom

I have always wondered why atheists spend money on billboards to try to persuade others of their position if they really believe their own ideology.

In other news, firefighters are still investigating the explosion at the Acme Irony Meter Company factory on Route 12.

12/6/2010 6:11:01 AM

Doubting Thomas

Over three hundred fulfilled biblical prophecies, corroborated by non-Christian sources and eyewitness testimony are stubborn facts atheists simply pretend aren’t there.

No, it's just that you can't expect logical people to accept that the earlier parts of a book prove that the later parts of the book actually happened.

And some of these "prophecies" about Jesus aren't even true. The Messiah as prophecied in the old testament was supposed to be called Immanuel, which Jesus never is on the new testament, and the messiah was supposed to be a military leader with an earthly kingdom, which Jesus never was.

12/6/2010 6:43:41 AM

Anon

Of course there are atheist billboards criticizing Islam, which is as much a myth as other irrational belief systems. Example:

http://toronto.ctv.ca/servlet/an/local/CTVNews/20101202/atheist-bus-ads-101202/20101202?hub=TorontoNewHome

BTW, All of these billboards are far from being hostile. Most of them are quite moderate and friendly. Where in "You Know it's a Myth. This Season, celebrate Reason" do you find aggressive words, name-calling, hostility? I don't see any in this quote.

12/6/2010 6:46:49 AM



Oh boy. More people who assume humans can't survive without worshipping something and that not worshipping ancient middle eastern deities leads to depression.

12/6/2010 6:47:27 AM

TGRwulf

We talk the most about Christianity because we live in a country where the population is mostly Christian. If it was mostly Muslims, than we'd talk mostly about Islam.

And it amazes me that you actually got that worked up over a fucking BILLBOARD!

12/6/2010 7:02:16 AM

Brendan Rizzo

As we enter the Christmas season, atheist groups are lining up again to bash Christianity.

Not a single atheist whom I am aware of has a problem with Christmas.

A group called American Atheists purchased a billboard in New Jersey that shows a silhouette of the Three Wise Men approaching the Nativity. Underneath is written, “You KNOW it’s a Myth. This Season, Celebrate REASON!”

It’s interesting that this same hostility isn’t displayed against Muslims during Ramadan or towards Jews during their Holy Days.


Not being a member of American Atheists, I don't know for sure why that is, but it's probably because there are many many more Christians in America than Jews or Muslims.

Apparently the American Atheists are ignorant of the fact that history proves Christ’s birth is not a myth.

Now now, they weren't saying that Jesus never existed, they were saying that the classic story of his birth-- with the wise men and the shepards and everything-- is a myth-- and it is! You have to syncretize a bunch of Biblical and extra-Biblical stories for it to work.

Jesus is not only the promised Messiah, God born of human flesh, he is the crucified and risen Savior of the World. Over three hundred fulfilled biblical prophecies, corroborated by non-Christian sources and eyewitness testimony are stubborn facts atheists simply pretend aren’t there.

Show these evidences to atheists, instead of simply saying they're there with no proof. And at least be open to alternate explanations. If you haven't convinced Jews, then what makes you think you'll convince atheists?

12/6/2010 7:13:29 AM

Brendan Rizzo

Atheists seem to hold a deep-seated, irrational resentment against Christmas and the joyous message of salvation that it declares.

I repeat what I said at the beginning.

They are apparently too proud to admit their sin and need of a Savior, so they flee to “REASON.”

No, it's because reason is the one thing that separates us from other animals. If you must use a theistic phrasing, the use of reason is your soul. Do you deny your soul, Mr. Christian? Hint: You believe God gave you a brain. USE IT!

Yet, their atheistic reasoning is so inconsistent and depressing.

Have you even read anything an atheist has written? They go out of their way to deny that atheism is inherently depressing.

I have always wondered why atheists spend money on billboards to try to persuade others of their position if they really believe their own ideology.

I could ask you the same question.

According to honest atheists, if there is no God logic dictates there is no truth, right or wrong, or meaning.

This is the stupidest thing that I have heard all day. Explain to me how truth can only exist if God does. Do you honestly believe that, if there is no God, that two plus two could suddenly equal three, or five, or seven, or pi, or one hundred and fifty-three? Or that Washington did not cross the Delaware, or that the sun revolves around the Earth? The whole point that atheists are trying to make is that truth exists independently of your own beliefs. Atheists are the most fanatical believers in truth I have ever seen. At least they don't lie to promote their beliefs, unlike fundie Christians.

Yet some atheists are compelled to live as if what they think is true, and that their lives actually do matter. It looks to me like they didn’t read their Nietzsche very closely and can’t live according to “REASON” after all.

PROTIP: Nietzsche... IS NOT... THE ATHEIST BIBLE!

12/6/2010 7:14:18 AM

Prager

I love Xmas! The music, the decorations, the gifts, etc., I just don't buy into the silly myth part. Let's go back to celebrating the solstice – the original Pagan reason for holding celebrations at this time.

12/6/2010 7:28:48 AM

WMDKitty

Pointing out that Christianity is mythology is NOT "bashing".

Idiots.

12/6/2010 8:07:40 AM

Joe Mama

It’s interesting that this same hostility isn’t displayed against Muslims during Ramadan or towards Jews during their Holy Days.

The very fact is that Muslims and Jews aren't really being targeted because you don't ever hear about them running around bitching & whining because people aren't putting their religion into the holidays. I've never heard Jewish people complain because people say "Happy holidays" instead of "Happy Hannukkah," for instance. Fox News doesn't run stories on how terrible it is that checkout clerks in stores don't say "Happy Ramadan" to Muslims.

And as many religious billboards (and other displays) that I always see, an atheist billboard would be a refreshing change.

Yet some atheists are compelled to live as if what they think is true, and that their lives actually do matter.

I like to think that my life does matter. If you don't think it does, then fuck off.

12/6/2010 8:29:02 AM

GodotIsWaiting4U

See, now, the part where Jesus of Nazereth was born? That part I have no issues with. The part where he's somehow more important that being one man who was the basis for a cult? The part where he's somehow magical or divine or whatever? THAT'S where my skepticism starts.

"if there is no God logic dictates there is no truth, right or wrong, or meaning" Except that if you'd ever taken a philosophy class you know that your claim is total bullshit, and you'd also realize that you know jack shit about veracity, morality, or purpose.

Oh, and you also don't know jack shit about Nietzsche if you think that he was advocating some sort of mass suicide thing. Nietzsche's point was that there is no OBJECTIVE meaning to life; you have to make your life matter on your own terms and with your own merits, and nobody else has to care one way or the other.

12/6/2010 8:30:37 AM

kellykellykelly

"I have always wondered why atheists spend money on billboards to try to persuade others of their position if they really believe their own ideology. According to honest atheists, if there is no God logic dictates there is no truth, right or wrong, or meaning."

Um, yeah... As if churches NEVER spend any money spreading propaganda. Wow.

12/6/2010 8:40:14 AM



You know you're a fundie when you claim that Christmas is a sacred, holy holiday but you don't mind all the crass commercialization that goes with it.

12/6/2010 8:54:43 AM

shadkat

Hey, I love Christmas, but I think I'm more in it for all the general warm and fuzzy feelings it gives me. Y'know, peace on Earth, goodwill towards men. All that. No deep-seated resentment here. *cheerful grin*

12/6/2010 9:00:28 AM

Anon-e-moose

"As we enter the Christmas season, atheist groups are lining up again to bash Christianity."

And yet, strangely enough, the Quakers, Unitarian Universalists, nay the Christians here in FSTDT, don't feel as if their beliefs are being 'bashed'. Awwww, arent you fundies pwecious!

"A group called American Atheists purchased a billboard in New Jersey that shows a silhouette of the Three Wise Men approaching the Nativity. Underneath is written, “You KNOW it’s a Myth. This Season, Celebrate REASON!”

So? If they've got the ca$h, they have the advert. That's the American way, amirite? Capitalism is God. Any other way of thinking makes you the very people you're supposed to consider the Antichrist: Communists.

"It’s interesting that this same hostility isn’t displayed against Muslims during Ramadan or towards Jews during their Holy Days."

Because 9 out of 10 Muslims aren't fundie wingnuts like you Religious Right types. And Jews generally keep themselves to themselves. Your point?

"Apparently the American Atheists are ignorant of the fact that history proves Christ’s birth is not a myth. Jesus is not only the promised Messiah, God born of human flesh, he is the crucified and risen Savior of the World. Over three hundred fulfilled biblical prophecies, corroborated by non-Christian sources and eyewitness testimony are stubborn facts atheists simply pretend aren’t there."



"Atheists seem to hold a deep-seated, irrational resentment against Christmas and the joyous message of salvation that it declares. They are apparently too proud to admit their sin and need of a Savior, so they flee to “REASON.” Yet, their atheistic reasoning is so inconsistent and depressing."

We Atheists celebrate Xmas for three reasons:

1- It's actually the Pagan Winter Solstice Festival, which was stolen by Christianity and assimilated into it's own culture. If it ever had any culture of it's own in the first place.

2- Because we know it pisses off you fundies no end.

3- Because we can. Deal with it.

"I have always wondered why atheists spend money on billboards to try to persuade others of their position if they really believe their own ideology. According to honest atheists, if there is no God logic dictates there is no truth, right or wrong, or meaning."

And I have always wondered why fundies spend money on billboards to try to persuade others of their position if they really believe their own ideology. According to honest ex-fundies (such as Jonathan Edwards), if there is no God, logic dictates there is no truth, right or wrong, or meaning. Your 'truth' is lies, personal morals (The 'Golden Rule' and all that jazz; also the laws of the land are sufficient). We're born, and then we rot. In between having the cord cut and carking it, we live as fulfilling, interesting, and hopefully humanity-contributing a life as we possibly can. Since we have no choice in the matter, we might as well make the best of things. That enough 'Meaning' for you?

"Yet some atheists are compelled to live as if what they think is true, and that their lives actually do matter. It looks to me like they didn’t read their Nietzsche very closely and can’t live according to “REASON” after all."

Yet, some fundies are compelled to live as if what they think is 'true' (when it's actually lies), and that their lives on this Earth actually don't matter. It looks to me like they didn't read their New Testament very closely and can't live according to “CHRISTIAN MORALS” after all.

And as for Friedrich Nietzsche, you clearly haven't read word one of him:

'A casual stroll through the lunatic asylum shows that faith does not prove anything.'

'All truth is simple... is that not doubly a lie?'

'And we should consider every day lost on which we have not danced at least once. And we should call every truth false which was not accompanied by at least one laugh.'

'I cannot believe in a God who wants to be praised all the time.'

'I still live, I still think: I still have to live, for I still have to think.'

'In Christianity neither morality nor religion come into contact with reality at any point.'

'Is man one of God's blunders? Or is God one of man's blunders?'

'Love is not consolation. It is light.'

Frankly, you wouldn't last five seconds against Christopher Lee (It's said that if you can argue Nietzsche sufficiently well with him, you'll have a friend for life).

PROTIP: Nietzsche preferred the company of Jews to Christians. Better educated, Jews were more of an intellectual challenge in his discussions, debates and philosophical arguments with them, than Christians. Oh, and he thought that Anti-Semites should be shot.

12/6/2010 9:05:07 AM



Major irony at defending Jews but then accusing atheists of not accepting prophetic proof of Jesus being the Messiah, which Jews don't accept either

12/6/2010 9:14:16 AM

aaa

Gary, try reading a book. Perhaps you will one day understand a thing.

12/6/2010 9:27:37 AM
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