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[During Private Museum Tours, Denver Children Learn About Creationism]

They dismiss much of what's on display in the museum as "pseudo-science" and describe many of the graphic depictions of paleontology and evolution as merely "artwork." Standing before a display on "Life in the Cenozoic Seas," Jack told the group, "This is a great museum if they would take out the propaganda, if they take out the pseudo-science. It's appalling because students go away thinking that cows turned into whales."

They deride the notion that anything so complex as the human eye could be the result of random mutations, or that the scales of a fish could over millions of years become teeth.

"This is a fairy tale, " Jack declared to the children. "How do they know your teeth evolved from scales? Everybody, try that with me, how do you know?

"How-do-you-know?" the kids repeated in unison.

At another exhibit, Carter pointed to a fossil of a giant fish found in Kansas and said, "Who likes to fish? Who would believe you could catch a fish this big in Kansas ?"

Bill Jack & Rusty Carter, ABC News 72 Comments [12/7/2010 7:01:53 AM]
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Lucilius

How do we know? By watching the progression from scales to teeth in successive layers of fossils. Through genetic analysis that demonstrates the cells' essential likeness.

How do you creatards "know?" By knee-jerk reference to an ancient collection of anonymous just-so stories.

12/7/2010 7:06:43 AM

Doubting Thomas

Considering that Kansas was once ocean, yes you could have caught a very large fish there.

I really don't care if people want to be willfully stupid, but teaching children how to be stupid is criminal.

This is a great museum if they would take out the propaganda, if they take out the pseudo-science.

You're talking about the Creation Museum in Kentucky, right?

12/7/2010 7:07:34 AM



The museum should throw the fuckers out.

12/7/2010 7:11:16 AM

Trivia Jockey

"The museum should throw the fuckers out."

Disagree...between teaching kids creationism in church or at home versus at a real museum, I'll take it at a real museum. SOME of the kids might actually READ what the exhibits say, and maybe a couple of them (at best) will start questioning the bullshit.

At least they're exposed to real science. They'll never get that in church.

12/7/2010 7:21:00 AM

Seeker in the Dark

Making children ignorant like that should be criminal. "How do you know?", you ask? Well, here's step 1: pull your head out of your ass!

12/7/2010 7:22:19 AM

TGRwulf

And they accuse US of brainwashing...

12/7/2010 7:24:50 AM

JohnTheAtheist

Why do we all not recognize this as child abuse and do something about it?

12/7/2010 7:35:33 AM

shadkat

"How-do-you-know?" the kids repeated in unison...

Before they all broke into a song and dance number. Enchanted was their favorite Disney movie after all.

12/7/2010 7:38:11 AM

WWWWolf

> At another exhibit, Carter pointed to a fossil of a giant fish found in Kansas and said, "Who likes to fish? Who would believe you could catch a fish this big in Kansas ?"

So, you believe God has created a world full of infinite wonders for us to behold.

Yet, when you run into one such wonder, you question its truthfulness.

This is one of the hallmarks of fundienuttery. Rational Christians might point out that the world is full of wonders and that they might not have seen quite everything yet. Fundienuts only believe the lies that dwell within their heads and refuse to see what the world has in store for them.


Edit re: #1232955, related to what I said above:

> “How-do-you-know?” is indeed a very health question. But when you ask a question, it’s only considered proper to listen to the answer.

Yup. Rational people say "How-do-you-know?". The fundies may say the same words, but what they meant to say was "Shut-the-f-up,-I-know-better."

12/7/2010 8:12:02 AM

emau99

"This is a fairy tale, " Jack declared to the children. "How do they know your teeth evolved from scales? Everybody, try that with me, how do you know?

"How-do-you-know?" the kids repeated in unison.


I think it's healthy to encourage children to be skeptical--but this is just ignorance and indoctrination.

Not that these guys give a damn.

I'd be willing to bet that if anybody asked "How do you know" in Jack's Sunday School, he'd be among the first to howl "persecution" or some such?

12/7/2010 8:32:19 AM

shykid

"This is a fairy tale," Jack declared to the children. "How do they know your teeth evolved from scales? Everybody, try that with me, how do you know?"

"How-do-you-know?" the kids repeated in unison.


Am I the only one who found this part profoundly creepy and cult-like? Talk about brainwashing.

12/7/2010 8:33:46 AM

aaa

If bullshit could be turned to energy, we would already be powering several FTL spaceships with these two.

12/7/2010 8:39:41 AM



“How-do-you-know?” is indeed a very health question. But when you ask a question, it’s only considered proper to listen to the answer.

12/7/2010 8:42:33 AM

Serph-no-Okami

Urgh, brainwashing children in action. Sickening, because teaching them to ask questions is good but I'll bet that they're also taught not to listen to the answers and not to ask them to the creationists...

12/7/2010 8:48:28 AM

John

"How do they know your teeth evolved from scales?

I Googled evolution of teeth and got 8,420,000 hits. Why is he asking school children? If he wanted an answer, he could have looked it up himself. If he didn't like the answer, perhaps he could tell everyone exactly what's wrong with it (other than the old "you weren't there")

12/7/2010 8:58:37 AM

Brendan Rizzo

I'm confused. Who are giving the tours? It sure aren't the tour guides. If this weren't from ABC News, I'd think it were fake. (Both fundies have two given names.)

To answer their question, we know that scales turned into teeth because we have proof, and no one is claiming that "cows turned into whales", just that they share a common ancestor at some point (and whales are more closely related to hippos anyway. I wonder why creationists always ignore this.)

12/7/2010 9:10:19 AM

Dan Onymous

That's all very well Jack but I'm not convinced that God's universe is limited to what you personally are capable of understanding.

12/7/2010 9:13:58 AM

John_in_Oz

I'm all in favour of it. Many of the children will be startled to learn that science does not agree with Fundie fanatsies.

12/7/2010 9:17:19 AM

phed

Actually the 'how do you know' is a pretty good question....something I try to teach my kids.

Of course I actually try to provide my kids with an honest answer rather than the crap this mindf*cker is feeding innocent children. To him 'how do you know?' is an argument, not a question.


I don't understand the thing about the giant fish...is Carter trying to say the fossil is fake because it is too big for Kansas?

12/7/2010 9:18:59 AM

SleepNeed

Reading the article from the beginning it's even worse where they talk that: The earth is 6,000 years old, six literal 24 hour days, and that this was really a vegetarian for example:


(T.Rex)

This is textbook brainwashing, this should be criminal to do this to anyone especially children.



12/7/2010 9:24:30 AM

Panz

Brainwash'em earlier Carter, or else they might grow up more educated than you

12/7/2010 9:28:03 AM

Headache

Yupp!

Dumbass home-schooled Americans...

12/7/2010 9:40:26 AM

Mister Spak

"Who would believe you could catch a fish this big in Kansas ?" "

We have the fossil fish. We win.

12/7/2010 9:55:10 AM

Lucilius

@phed and Mister Spak: I'm fairly sure he's just claiming the fish as creatard "evidence," as a remnant of Noah's flood.

12/7/2010 10:00:28 AM

Pup

I'm all for skepticism, but lying to the kids is just cruel. It'd be great if someone walking past carries on from Bill & Rusty with "This is how we know-". Then again I imagine Bill & Rusty would be quick to shoo them away in some manner...

12/7/2010 10:03:13 AM
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