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"good" people? what's that?
the way I see it there are two kinds of people...saved or lost. Simple as that. No such thing as "good" people in God's eyes. Either you humble yourself and accept His free offer of salvation thru Jesus, or you can't humble yourself reject Jesus and send yourself to hell. Cut and dry. Black and white. No such thing as good people in my opinion.

Gilgal, Rapture Ready 75 Comments [12/21/2010 11:11:54 PM]
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Hitler: Kickin' back in Heaven
Gandhi: Tortured for eternity.

Nice god you have there. Infinitely just?

12/21/2010 11:16:36 PM

Street Sharks

A murderer accepts Jesus and he goes to heaven.

Buddha made the mistake of being born before Jesus. He goes to Hell.


12/21/2010 11:27:36 PM

Capt. Murphy

You're an ass.

12/21/2010 11:28:08 PM

From the frozen north, Death cometh

"good" people? what's that?

I think I might have an answer... Good people are the folks whose actions are deemed good by other people or by the current zeitgeist.

Either you humble yourself and accept His free offer of salvation thru Jesus

You know, pointing a gun at someone and demanding specific actions isn't a free offering. It's making people do shit, "or else"

or you can't humble yourself reject Jesus and send yourself to hell

I won't send myself to hell... If (and that's a pretty damn big if) I get sent to hell it will be by a deity's decision, not by mine. It says even in the damn scripture that god is the one who will judge the dead.

Cut and dry. Black and white.

Nothing is this simple... Accepting Jesus isn't a 100% guaranteed ticket to heaven. You don't know what criteria your deity uses to enact judgement and the bible sure as shit isn't clear on the issue.

12/21/2010 11:34:47 PM

Quantum Mechanic

"saved or lost"

There's another category just for you: Stupid.

12/21/2010 11:51:57 PM

nutbunny

"No such thing as good people in my opinion."

That's because your opinion is so very small that nothing can fit inside it.

It's one thing to be depressed.
Your misanthropy is in a different league

12/22/2010 12:01:28 AM

Celianna

I'd rather all Christians say it like this; because that's all that really matters to them. Accept Jesus, to hell with kindness!

12/22/2010 12:15:57 AM

chaosof99

I like this Freudian slip:

"the way I see it there are two kinds of people...saved or lost. Simple as that. No such thing as "good" people in God's eyes."

Apparently god has the exact same moral views as the Gilgal. I wonder why...

12/22/2010 12:39:34 AM

Swede

What a petty, insignificant life you must be leading, if all this is, is a chance for you to say "Yes, Jesus, yes!" and that's all. What the heck do you keep on living for?

Only children see things as that black or white. Normal people grow out of that viewpoint and realize there are seldom just two choices, and mostly they are both good and bad at the same time.

12/22/2010 12:43:28 AM

freako104

So you don't see people like Ramirez, Ian Brady, Ed Gein and others as evil nor Gandhi as good? Nice view of the world there. So a saved person who goes about killing and raping is ok? Or they aren't good?


At least you are honest about it

12/22/2010 12:47:14 AM

TB Tabby

And that is why your god is a selfish, capricious tyrant devoid of love. Any god who only looks favorably on people who kiss his ass 24/7 is not a god worth worshiping, however powerful it might be. Yes, there ARE good people in the world. And not only are they good, they are far better than the monstrous bogeyman you call a god.

12/22/2010 12:57:03 AM

Anon

>>Celianna

I'd rather all Christians say it like this; because that's all that really matters to them. Accept Jesus, to hell with kindness! <<

Please do not make blanket generalizations about Christians. Stereotyping them is as bad as some of them stereotyping you.

12/22/2010 1:06:40 AM



The trouble with this one is that, although crudely expressed, it's more or less orthodox Christianity. It should bring non-fundie Christians up short and make them ask themselves: hang about, do we really believe this stuff? How about the General Confession, from the Book of Common Prayer on which many English Christians were brought up and some still use:

We have left undone those things which we ought to have done; And we have done those things which we ought not to have done; And there is no health in us.

Even we worshipping people are not good, unless we accept the pardoning grace of Christ.

One reason that so many intelligent, decent and spiritually minded people have abandoned orthodox Christianity is that they are fed up of this abject "woe is me, wretched sinner that I am" prostrating themselves before a hot-tempered God. They know that people, including them but also many others who have no religious faith, are capable of doing good things: and that many believers - the "saved" presumably - fall from grace in a big way. Truth is that belief in God and being a good person don't co-relate - as fundies, but not just fundies, try to pretend they do.

12/22/2010 1:21:57 AM



Oh ok, no good people. Only accepting Jesus/not accepting Jesus. So uh, that morality thing that many, many Christians insist proves there must be a God. What's that for then?

12/22/2010 1:31:07 AM

Justanotheratheist

Happily, your opinion is worth less than the banana skin I threw into the dustbin last night.

So is your brain.

12/22/2010 1:47:16 AM

Panz

I remember there being some part of the "saved" clause which specified your deeds would be part of the end verdict

12/22/2010 3:02:29 AM

Kinnell

Yes and we all know opinions are like arseholes. Everyone's got one and they're usually full of shit.

12/22/2010 3:10:05 AM



In that case, care explaining why Jesus wasted like three books of the New Testament talking about being good and doing good deeds?

12/22/2010 3:11:44 AM



Nice free fucking offer there.

12/22/2010 3:36:57 AM

Some guy

I became an atheist because of this very issue.

When I was a kid I dreaded the thought of confession; after all, god can see me do all those things, right? Why would I need to tell the scary priest about it? But the priest said if I didn't go to confession I'd be a sinner and thus off to hell with me.

So I told him "what if I'm a good boy and I'm nice to people and do good things?". You can guess the reply he gave me: stick to the rules, believe, blah blah blah or go to hell, no matter how good you are.

So i basically said "fuck that, i'm outta here". And when i grew up, did some research I came to the conclusion that this god stuff is a lot of shite meant to control people, big part of that being confession.

12/22/2010 4:05:32 AM

Anon

>>#1236861


The trouble with this one is that, although crudely expressed, it's more or less orthodox Christianity. <<

You are only correct for certain definitions of "orthodox Christianity". The Roman Catholic Church has taught a very different message, at least since Vatican II.

Again, we should avoid stereotyping as much as we can, least we stray into fundie territory ourselves.

12/22/2010 4:22:49 AM

ThisTroper

Your reason for thinking there are no good people is idiotic. However, I feel that there are very few good people. There's assholes and smaller assholes with a few good people. They get walked all over by the assholes.

12/22/2010 5:17:44 AM

LDM

Translation:

"I'm too damn lazy, selfish and cheap to get up off my ass and help others, and these damn do-gooders are making me look bad. So I'm joining this sorry-ass excuse of a cop out religion, where I can just sit on my fat lazy ass and make holier-than-thou comments on the internet all day. The fact that Jesus taught, believed and lived the former is entirely beside the point."

@Some Guy-

When I was about 8 our CCD class was preparing for our first confession. I was a pretty quite, content, easy going child at the time, and was usually pretty good most of the time.
I told the teacher I didn't think I had anything to confess, she gave me a strange look and said that surely I had sinned at some time (she knew me and knew my family and knew I was a good kid). I then told the priest I couldn't think of any sins to confess, and he, much like the show-biz psychic, started reciting a list of all things kids do-get angry (that's a sin?), argued with siblings, talked back to parents, etc. Both made me feel like complete dirt for nothing, and in one short afternoon my self-esteem plummeted, and I went from a happy, well behaved child, to bitter troublesome one, because why bother. Everything I did was wrong anyway.

And that stuck with me until my late 20's when I quit the church for good.


12/22/2010 5:20:34 AM

Draken

And here's me thinking that the whole point of your religion was to follow the Ten Commandments. Stupid of me.

12/22/2010 5:24:02 AM



Certainly no good people on Rapture Ready!

12/22/2010 6:15:31 AM
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