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I was talking about this at dinner with some friends, and I posed this question: OK, so we let all the fags in [the military]. Some act normal but some are flaming queens. The poll says the combat arms really don't want a faggot as their commander/squad/platoon leader. So, when the military assigns new troops to their specialities, will they have to weed out the drama queens for the rear? How long will that last before there is a real drama and/or a lawsuit? And I agree about the AIDS problem vis-a-vis battlefield wounds. In fact, maybe we could have entire formations of AIDS infected gays on the front lines: the enemy would be afraid to shoot them for fear the blood would splash on them.

How long before gay soldiers want to wear earrings and makeup like the ladies?
How much command time will be taken up to disentangle gay spats?
How many "partners" without the benefit of marriage will the gays be allowed to move into base housing and get benefits while straights aren't allowed to do so with their sexual partners unless they are officially married?

As a retired AF officer, the thought of having to listen to their gay fights makes me sick. The military is no place for this. It's bad enough fixing the fights between the men and the women. Even though I'm female, I don't think women are good for the military. I certainly wouldn't compound the problem with gays.

TrickleUpPolitics, Moonbattery 73 Comments [12/24/2010 6:57:35 AM]
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dionysus

So, when the military assigns new troops to their specialities, will they have to weed out the drama queens for the rear?

This is the most unintentionally funny statement I've seen in a while. I'd even be tempted to call it a Freudian slip.

12/24/2010 1:05:25 PM

Beccs

Great a self-loathing female.

What were you doing in the military if you think the military is no place for women? Oh yeah, you would have fought for equal rights to get into the military and while you were there but, now that you've left (been kicked out?) it's no place for women, let alone gays, right?

You're just rep;eating fallacies to justify your own bigotry, bitch.

12/24/2010 1:14:40 PM

Flah

(Part 1)

'So, when the military assigns new troops to their specialities, will they have to weed out the drama queens for the rear?'

A drama queen like what you're describing probably wouldn't be able to make it through basic training. No matter who they allow in, your armed forces still have a standard that their soldiers have to live up to.

'How long will that last before there is a real drama and/or a lawsuit?'

If they're unfit for command, they won't be promoted. It's that simple. I'd like to see a single successful lawsuit against the military where someone was passed over for command because their skills and attitude were deemed unacceptable.

'And I agree about the AIDS problem vis-a-vis battlefield wounds. In fact, maybe we could have entire formations of AIDS infected gays on the front lines: the enemy would be afraid to shoot them for fear the blood would splash on them.'

Because there's no such thing as a heterosexual infected by HIV, right? It's completely unheard of. But, in all honesty, a person found to be HIV positive would wind up failing their physical examination because of it. Even if soldiers are sent out to die in the battlefield, their casualty rates are supposed to be as low as possible. Someone infected by a terminal disease is not as likely to survive in the battlefield. And the risk of others being infected by their blood just increases those casualties in the longterm. It's just not going to happen.

'How long before gay soldiers want to wear earrings and makeup like the ladies?'

As soon as the women in the military are allowed to, I suppose.

'How much command time will be taken up to disentangle gay spats?'

As opposed to all of those straight-as-nails he-men who get into fights for far more manly reasons? Or is that just a case of boys being boys?

12/24/2010 1:17:15 PM

Flah

(Part 2)

'How many "partners" without the benefit of marriage will the gays be allowed to move into base housing and get benefits while straights aren't allowed to do so with their sexual partners unless they are officially married?'

None. Not until they allow the same thing for heterosexual couples.

'As a retired AF officer, the thought of having to listen to their gay fights makes me sick. The military is no place for this. It's bad enough fixing the fights between the men and the women. Even though I'm female, I don't think women are good for the military. I certainly wouldn't compound the problem with gays.'

Funny how half of the arguments that you had made would have been used 60 years ago against the idea of women in the military. Did you demand to wear jewelry and makeup with your uniform when you were in the service? Did you often have catfights with other female officers? Were you temporarily relieved of duty during your time of the month to prevent hissyfits that might lead to the nuclear arsenal being launched?

What exactly does a 'gay fight' sound like anyway?

12/24/2010 1:17:45 PM

GodotIsWaiting4U

1) Probably won't happen. Gay =/= transsexual.
2) Only as much time as it will take command to give a fuck. So 0.0 seconds.
3) None, since assholes like you have seen to it that they can't get married.

Also, I don't believe you're a retired AF officer OR a woman, and do you know why? "Even though I'm female, I don't think women are good for the military." A) Why would you join if this were true? B) So you don't think that your country should have everyone who is able and willing to fight fighting?

Also, the polls actually say that servicemembers really just don't give a fuck about this shit.

12/24/2010 1:33:43 PM

The Lazy One

Uh, you do realize that AIDS doesn't care if you're male, female, straight, gay, black, white, Christian or atheist- it infects everyone equally. Your wounded straight comrade that's bleeding all over the place could have AIDS. If you're worried about getting HIV from wounds, then don't join the military at all, and don't become a doctor.

12/24/2010 1:40:49 PM

Old Viking

So hate-filled she's incapable of rational thought.

12/24/2010 2:40:05 PM

AuraTwilight

'The poll says the combat arms really don't want a faggot as their commander/squad/platoon leader.'

Even if this were true, which it's not, soldier opinions don't fucking matter in the military. This is the goddamn military, not daycare. You obey and you shut the fuck up unless spoken to, no exceptions.

12/24/2010 2:44:07 PM

TGRwulf

Yeah, none of that's going to happen, you know that right?

12/24/2010 2:53:48 PM

Ken

I know who the real drama queen is.

12/24/2010 3:34:20 PM

GigaGuess

Part 1

I was talking about this at dinner with some friends, and I posed this question: OK, so we let all the fags in [the military]. Some act normal but some are flaming queens.
Yes, just like everyone, there are some who are obnoxious, or act in a way I don't like. Your point?

The poll says the combat arms really don't want a faggot as their commander/squad/platoon leader.
And when interracial military was instated, I'm sure the same was said. Guess what? Your military is alive and kicking. And for the record, I would like to see the source for your stats.

So, when the military assigns new troops to their specialities, will they have to weed out the drama queens for the rear?
If they are unsuited for the military, they will not make the cut. Just like a straight person. If a man is afraid of breaking a nail, and bitches and moans about having to work, he'll be out on his ass. Equality.

How long will that last before there is a real drama and/or a lawsuit?
Unless there's reals grounds for it, (Like some hick redneck Drill Sergeant making it his personal mission to turn some gay recruit's life a living hell, for example) the suit will be dismissed, and the recruit will likely face consequences of his own.

And I agree about the AIDS problem vis-a-vis battlefield wounds.
Wonderful. 2 things, though:
1.) Straight people transmit HIV just as easily as homosexuals, and are just as much at risk without even seeing a homosexual, and
2.) Soldiers are regularly tested, and being HIV positive makes you unable to serve. Again, gay, straight, bisexual, trisexual, pansexual, asexual. Doesn't matter.

12/24/2010 3:46:25 PM

GigaGuess

Part 2

In fact, maybe we could have entire formations of AIDS infected gays on the front lines: the enemy would be afraid to shoot them for fear the blood would splash on them.
Oh, you're a stitch. Bet you saw the Human Shields bit on South Park, and thought long and hard about that, too.

How long before gay soldiers want to wear earrings and makeup like the ladies?
From what I see, aside from accommodating breasts, there's not a lot of difference between female and male fatigues. In their spare time? Who fucking cares what they wear. If they refuse to comply to the military dress code, they should be subject to the same consequences as their straight counterparts.

How much command time will be taken up to disentangle gay spats?
So...you guys will target us, but it's our fault, cuz we're all gay and stuff.

How many "partners" without the benefit of marriage will the gays be allowed to move into base housing and get benefits while straights aren't allowed to do so with their sexual partners unless they are officially married?
Yeah, because straight people never get it on in the military, and the moment you get a gay man and another man in the same habitation, BOOM! Buttsex!

As a retired AF officer, the thought of having to listen to their gay fights makes me sick.
And as a homosexual, hearing you people blatantly advocating discrimination makes me sick. The fact that you proudly...PROUDLY support dismissing a fellow soldier purely on the grounds of who s/he sleeps with is appalling.

12/24/2010 3:47:45 PM

GigaGuess

Part 3

The military is no place for this. It's bad enough fixing the fights between the men and the women.
So again, rather than fix the situation, you feel that the victim is at fault, and should remove themselves, for if they weren't so gosh darned different, it would all be okay.

Even though I'm female, I don't think women are good for the military.
I call bullshit. You say you're a proud, retired soldier, and in the next breath, say that your gender is inferior, and unsuited for service? Woman? Sounds more like a G.I.R.L.* to me.

I certainly wouldn't compound the problem with gays.
Why should it matter? Gay, straight, white, black, man, woman...they share a common trait. They are people who wish to serve their country. Who are you to say that just because they have a vagina, or sleep with someone you disapprove of, they are unworthy?

* G.I.R.L.= Guy In Real Life

12/24/2010 3:49:08 PM

Brenz

You are way too worried about stuff that's not going to happen.

12/24/2010 4:00:01 PM

WMDKitty

Jesus CHRIST, I hate self-loathing women...

12/24/2010 4:17:04 PM

Nithing

She seems to treat gay soliders as some sort of elite special WH40k unit that need forming into their own battlations due to the acid AIDS blood spray.

12/24/2010 4:32:54 PM

radda

1. Present opinions as facts.
2. ??????
3. Profit.

12/24/2010 4:33:43 PM

Papabear

I don't give a rat's a** if gay men wear earrings or make-up. Plenty of straight men wear earrings these days, TUP.

How much time is spent untangling straight spats?

If you allow homosexuals to get married, the critereon is easy, get married to qualify for base housing and benefits.


So, you stayed in the AF even though you thought that you, being a woman, were bad for the AF. I have to agree with you. You're too stupid and hypocritical to be good for the AF.

12/24/2010 4:41:18 PM

Berny

The problem is retards like you think that all gays are flaming queens. They're not. I've known heterosexual males that acted like drama queens; you'd have thought they were gay but they weren't. By the same token, I've known gay males that would be hyper-masculine and put any "He-man" to shame.
The kind of people who wish to join the military will all act professionally. It's idiots like you that have the problem.

12/24/2010 7:47:41 PM

BeemerRefugee1990

I'm sure TrickleUp thinks that the officer who helped Washington turn the rebel army at Valley Forge into something actually useful was merely the victim of a Tory smear campaign -- the Vast Redcoat Lamestream Media, darn them.

Apparently THE FATHER OF OUR FREAKIN' COUNTRY didn't have a problem with the guy.

(Apologies, I'm completely blanking on the guy's name right now.)

12/24/2010 9:37:29 PM


Vince

'sigh'

Your an idiot thwacking at straw men and your the only one who can't see it.

If any such soldier was incompetent in any way then he would make it into the army, or, would get his ass reamed out (bad choice of words) for unacceptable behavior on duty. If he wanted to violate dress code he'd be told to shove it. If any soldier was opposed to the off duty behavior of his commanding officer or squad leader, he'd also be told to shove it.

Simple.

12/24/2010 9:51:04 PM

QuasiRodent

Why can't people grasp that the military has a strict code of conduct, including dress codes, that apply to everyone? Including women - I'm not sure on the makeup front but I don't think they're allowed to wear anything else that men are not.

12/24/2010 10:05:36 PM

ANALH

"How long before gay soldiers want to wear earrings"

Have you been living in a cave? Straight men wear earings now too.

EDIT: Damn, Papabear beat me to it.

12/24/2010 10:57:28 PM

JonnyTruant

Ever heard of Sparta? Ya, flaming homosexuals each and every one... but one of the best fighting forces the ancient world ever saw. Learn something from that.

12/25/2010 3:00:59 AM
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