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1. The first scientists and logicians were pagans, not Christians.
2. If you follow a form of Christianity (or any other religion) that explicitly denies things that scientists have actually observed with their own eyes, the problem isn't with science
@Doubting Thomas: And some of us are members of other religions. ;)
12/27/2010 3:52:34 AM
If this God of yours gave you your...intellect, why do you still follow him? I'd be pissed at getting so impossibly screwed over, at least.
12/27/2010 4:11:34 AM
Wow,just fucking wow
12/27/2010 4:28:57 AM
"As long as Christians’ focus is on the church as an institution, rather than on God and His Word and their duty to live by God’s Word in this world, the institutional church’s first priority will always be to sustain itself as an institution. The people have failed to demand anything greater from it."
That's because there is nothing greater available from it.
12/27/2010 4:44:54 AM
I'd like to focus on the demand for a day of reckoning part of this essay. An interesting definition of religion is something that answers questions that only it asks. Would anyone ask how they can get into heaven and/or avoid hell if it weren't taught by religion? What about ensuring that you're reincarnated into something good?
12/27/2010 5:44:02 AM
If your faith cannot withstand reality-based learning, what does that say about your faith?
12/27/2010 6:32:14 AM
Yeah, because as we all know schools have only one function: to convert xtian kids (aka child abuse) to atheism. They have no other purpose. You prick.
Also we don't need science to trump your silly mythology - reality does the job just fine on its own. A few clues...
Snakes don't talk
Hares do not chew cud
Insects have more than four legs
12/27/2010 7:43:07 AM
So stop using computers, dumbass.
12/27/2010 7:50:04 AM
There is nothing to stop fundies from setting up their own schools... Only it will cost money out of fuibndies' pockets. Catholics have had to di this in the US, so why should funides baulk at it?
But those who take the bible as literal truth are walking into a trap. Their children will not receive a proper education and their future capacity to earn will suffer accordingly.
Quite frankly, I think that anyone who accepts the bible literally, without being able to see it as lessons through allegory is a bit mad - or even barking mad. The danger point is where religion flies in the face of reason, yet there is still an insistence that religion is right and reason is wrong.
12/27/2010 7:55:28 AM
"Indeed, it’s difficult to see how the whole scientific enterprise could ever have begun,"
Let's see, intelligent people observed the world around them, began studying certain things more closely to see how they worked, began experimenting with said things to see how they could make them work better and/or help mankind.
I'm no scientist, yet that wasn't difficult at all.
12/27/2010 7:57:57 AM
"Christian children all need Christian educations. We are sorry if our saying so hurts anyone’s feelings"
Doesn't hurt my feelings. By all means hoem skool your little trouser stains. And when you're done there all kinds of exciting career choices for such gifted intellects: Ditches aren't going to dig themselves, after all.
12/27/2010 9:33:40 AM
"Science is just another sphere of life that ought to be taken captive for Christ."
12/27/2010 9:46:52 AM
Protip dude: Most of the early sciences came from non-Christian countries.
12/27/2010 10:11:28 AM
There's just one problem with your objections.
SCIENCE DOES TRUMP THE BIBLE.
SCIENCE WORKS, BITCH.
12/27/2010 10:19:26 AM
" Indeed, it’s difficult to see how the whole scientific enterprise could ever have begun, absent the Christian teaching that a wise and rational God created the heavens and the earth and that man, given dominion by God over His creation, could apply his God-given intellect to discover the creation’s laws and inner workings."
The whole scientific enterprise began when when man applies his intellect to discover the laws of physics don't need a giant man with a long white beard to operate.
12/27/2010 10:55:49 AM
Nyssa of Aachen
The only snag with Lee's last paragraph is this, if Man as a species, uses their intellect to discover the "Laws of Creation and inner workings" so speak, then God effectively becomes redundant at best, or more probably, given the references to being a jealous God in the Bible, would wage a genocidal war to destroy the usurper, Man's existence in order to eliminate the threat to his effective monopoly on creation...
The reason for the above, is that by definition, if we eventually understand the processes of creation, to the extent he believes, we therefore become "godlike entities" ourselves, and therefore, per se, become a threat to God...
As for possible attempts by some to "hack creation", in order to improve it, how long before this would happen, given the above...?
12/27/2010 11:01:12 AM
Every Christian should study science.
12/27/2010 11:11:29 AM
... where they are taught that science trumps the Bible
The schools just teach them science. It's their parents who teach them their particular little cult's interpretation of the Bible, then try to get schools to censor anything that disagrees with it.
12/27/2010 11:26:48 AM
And I think that all parents should be forced to send their kids to public schools. Funny.
12/27/2010 11:30:13 AM
I love this guy. In the second paragraph of his essay, he basically admits he doesn't know what science is, but then he goes on at length to explain that it's BAD and WRONG. How cute.
12/27/2010 12:17:21 PM
What Lee really means is: "WAAAAAH!!! We Christians lost control of the schools and science! Now the atheists are brainwashing kids when we want to brainwash them!"
Science is just another sphere of life that ought to be taken captive for Christ.
Interesting choice of words. It's not that they want to convince everyone of the rightness of their views, they want to force people to share their views. If that means they have to take public institutions "captive," then so be it.
12/27/2010 12:40:46 PM
"The model works without that assumption" - Pierre Simon LaPlace
12/27/2010 1:04:50 PM
You realize that the study of science would be impossible if 'magic/supernatural/god/goddess stuff' actually occurred? Not only would science not be needed, but nothing would revolve around any natural laws or processes because anything could happen/change at any given time upon the whim of those beings/people who can use 'magic'. Science would not be able to explain,predict, or test anything.
Science works. 'God-did-it' does not.
12/27/2010 1:58:37 PM
Did you just admit you need to brainwash children to keep your faith alive?
This was freako104. Forgot to login. Sorry!
12/27/2010 2:33:06 PM
Science goes by the basis of definite or almost definite conclusions based on observations. Schools have a responsibility to focus on the skills and thinking associated with it. If you want your kids to have Christianity included in their education, send them to a Sunday School. Education must remain secular because the state must remain secular.
12/27/2010 3:11:05 PM
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