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As long as millions of Christian children, one generation after another, are sent to Christ-denying public schools, where they are taught that science trumps the Bible, there can be no hope of recovery. By surrendering their children to these schools, Christians become a party to their own destruction. Christian children all need Christian educations. We are sorry if our saying so hurts anyone’s feelings—but how are we to tiptoe around the pitfall of Christian children being schooled by atheists? Church-going Christians wouldn’t dream of sending their children to a Muslim school; why do they send them to the public schools?

These children—those who don’t abandon the faith entirely—are the future congregations of America’s churches. Steeped in the secular “faith” and reverence for “science,” how likely are they to demand a day of reckoning from science?

As long as Christians’ focus is on the church as an institution, rather than on God and His Word and their duty to live by God’s Word in this world, the institutional church’s first priority will always be to sustain itself as an institution. The people have failed to demand anything greater from it.

“And there shall be, like people, like priest,” said the prophet Hosea (Hosea 4:9)—the people won’t be any better than their church, and the church won’t be any better than its people.

We don’t mean to suggest that Christians can’t be or shouldn’t be scientists. We say the opposite—that Christians should never have abandoned science to the atheists. Science is just another sphere of life that ought to be taken captive for Christ. Indeed, it’s difficult to see how the whole scientific enterprise could ever have begun, absent the Christian teaching that a wise and rational God created the heavens and the earth and that man, given dominion by God over His creation, could apply his God-given intellect to discover the creation’s laws and inner workings.

Lee Duigon, The Chalcedon Foundation 73 Comments [12/26/2010 3:44:03 PM]
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Council of Chalcedon- 451 AD. Followed this event: "Dioscorus then moved to depose Flavian and Eusebius of Dorylaeum on the grounds that they taught the Word had been made flesh and not just assumed flesh from the Virgin and that Christ had two natures. When Flavian and Hilary objected, Dioscorus called for a pro-monophysite mob to enter the church and assault Flavian as he clung to the altar." In other words, people killing each other over flavors of woo. The Dark Ages off to a running start.

Makes me wish the Huns had been a bit more thorough. Guess it's no secret who the latter-day Chalcedonians want to have assaulted and exiled.

12/27/2010 3:29:32 PM


Yet another power-hungry deacon who wants to be the next Kent Hovind.

12/27/2010 4:03:14 PM

Tolpuddle Martyr

So you want everyone to be students of religious "schools", you do know that "Taliban" means "student" dont you?

12/27/2010 4:26:04 PM

Brendan Rizzo

@ nazani14:

Actually, the modern Christians are descended from the people who believed that Christ had two natures. (In other words, the people who had been persecuted by Dioscorus.) The "latter-day Chalcedonians" would be those who the Chalcedon Foundation dislike, by this analogy.

However, your analysis is otherwise excellent. I could imagine uneducated fundies killing people if their pastors told them that the victims were "heretics", and if they thought for one second that they would get away with it.

12/27/2010 5:40:27 PM


If you want to keep your head up your ass and pretend the Buy Bull is for real, far be it from me to stop you.

12/27/2010 5:55:43 PM


As long as millions of Christian children, one generation after another, are sent to Christ-denying public schools, where they are taught that science trumps the Bible, there can be no hope of recovery.

I must have been sick that day because I don't ever recall learning that.

12/27/2010 6:57:42 PM

Most teachers are Christian.

And as for "Taking control"? As in forcing people to believe what you believe?
*Dramatic gun Cock*
Try it Motherf*cker.

12/27/2010 9:21:59 PM

Burning Stake

No, no no. I was going to just let this one slide as another angry Christian whose seen many of his fellow believers "bested" by science...

Steeped in the secular “faith” and reverence for “science,” how likely are they to demand a day of reckoning from science?

but I give a hearty Fuck. You. to that. Not only would I be dead were it not for science, but my mother would likely be as well, so my younger brother and sister would never have existed and my dad would be very, very sad.

Plus, you know, you yourself might not even be here without modern sanitation, modern medicine, etc.

Either live like Jesus did (i.e. not only poor, but with Antiquity science the best you have) or leave the rest of us, the modern world, alone. Please.

12/28/2010 12:52:25 AM


"Science is just another sphere of life that ought to be taken captive for Christ."

Science is not to be beholden to any fixed creed of any sort. That's not how it works. Science tries to find out what we don't know, not enforce what we take to be Gospel.

12/28/2010 2:57:23 AM


12/28/2010 3:04:49 AM


Jesus does not belong in school. Neither does any religion. That's what church and your house is for.

12/29/2010 5:14:28 PM


"Christian...being schooled by atheists"

That's a Freudian slip if there ever was one.

12/30/2010 12:51:20 PM

Jade Goggles

well, i was taught at a christian private school for most of my life. i gotta say, the science texts where horrendous and misleading. it'd be criminal to teach children such biased courses in a public school.

it's better to teach kids what is proven to have happened with as little bias as possible at school, and then teach them 'oh this is what god said, just ignore the science stuff' at home.

12/30/2010 2:08:10 PM


Boo hoo, the persecuted majority complex.

Id like to point out thanks to you fundy fuckwits, the public school system is now falling apart. Way to go!

12/31/2010 2:28:44 PM


I could almost understand the logic until the last paragraph. WTF!? Does he even know what science is?

2/13/2011 11:21:23 AM

Quantum Mechanic

Stop using computers.

7/25/2013 2:10:48 AM


Too much Christianity might not be good for Christianity. When I started school, Sweden was a Christian nation and had a state church. We had Christianity lessons in school, and all end-of-semester cellebrations happened in church. Every school-day started and ended with a hymn.

Guess which country is now one of the least religious countries in the world, Lee...

1/12/2014 4:59:13 AM


Why can't Jebus hurry up and rapture these morons already, so the world can be a vastly better place afterwards.

1/12/2014 5:39:22 AM

Dr. Shrinker

"...where they are taught that science trumps the Bible,..."

- Only if they want results

1/12/2014 6:45:22 AM

Quantum Mechanic

"science trumps the Bible"

Try posting your horse shit without a computer, moron.

9/19/2014 9:55:25 AM

"Christ-denying public schools"

Unfortunately, they aren't. Religious assholes are forcing their beliefs on public school kids as early as kindergarten.


"...complaints by parents of children of other faiths being warned, by their Good News Club classmates, that they may go to hell, and of Good News Club's teaching, as an object lesson on obedience, of I Samuel 15:3's divine imperative to "attack the Amalekites" and "put to death men and women, children and infants.""

Teaching good Christian values like eternal torture, killing men, women, children and infants....I wonder if they'll get to the wonderful bible story of the bears killing the 42 children, and the stories of human sacrifice. That should help them sleep at night. I wonder how they align teaching of killing humans with "thou shalt not kill". Maybe they'll teach that the bible says that parents can kill their kids if they're disobedient. Maybe they'll teach that the bible says that rape is ok if you pay her father after. Maybe they'll teach that the bible says that it's ok to own people as property and beat them as much as you want as long as they don't die in a day or two. Just think of all of those good old testament values to teach. Have some cognitive dissonance with your milk and cookies, kids.

Screw the church and state separation, I guess. This was done under the guise of "free speech". Perhaps we should have some Muslim "free speech", some atheist "free speech", some Buddhist "free speech", some Satanist "free speech", and every other religion's "free speech being taught in the public schools, too.

9/19/2014 10:05:07 AM


You've got the kids every Sunday, in which you can tell them lies about god creating the earth. In the name of sanity, let them go to school to learn science. If that disrupts your faith, it wasn't much of a faith anyway.

11/14/2016 8:43:29 PM

Philbert McAdamia

“And there shall be, like people, like priest,” said the prophet Hosea

"And it shall be like totally gross, omygawd, like gag me with a spoon, I'm so shurr," said the Valley Girl Moon.(Zappa 8:2)

11/14/2016 9:05:12 PM

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