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Suddenly, just as the Obama-led campaign to foist the radical homosexual agenda on the U.S. armed forces is reaching its denouement, the American people are getting a taste of forced intimacy - and they don't like it. In airports around the country, they are being subjected to intrusions on their personal space by people and machines of the Transportation Security Administration (TSA).

Team Obama's line is that "most" in uniform think there will be no problem, or at least "mixed" good and bad repercussions. But if even an estimated 10 percent choose to leave the service - let alone 40 percent of Marines, who, according to the leakers, think repeal will cause problems - the effect will be traumatic, possibly devastating, for the U.S. armed forces. If tens of thousands choose not to submit and "vote with their feet," as the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, Adm. Mike Mullen, has called on them to do, it may become impossible to rely only on volunteers to staff our military.

In that case, a vote for repeal of the 1993 law barring homosexuals from the military amounts to a vote for reinstating the draft.

Frank Gaffney, Right Wing Watch 56 Comments [12/30/2010 4:25:41 AM]
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StoneSpiral

Just going by the numbers, a female officer has more to fear from sexual harassment from male officers than a male officer has to fear from unwanted homosexual attention. So.. really, straight men are the ones that are the problem in that arena.

12/30/2010 9:35:20 AM

Daddy Stegosaurus

Let them leave The draft is preferable anyway. Let them send their own sons and daughters to war for a change.

12/30/2010 10:06:27 AM

Dr. Razark

"'vote with their feet,' as the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, Adm. Mike Mullen, has called on them to do"

The Chairman of the Joint Chiefs is urging troops to desert?

12/30/2010 10:17:53 AM

GigaGuess

Part 1

Suddenly, just as the Obama-led campaign to foist the radical homosexual agenda on the U.S. armed forces is reaching its denouement, the American people are getting a taste of forced intimacy - and they don't like it.
No, they are getting a taste of what equality means, no more, no less.

In airports around the country, they are being subjected to intrusions on their personal space by people and machines of the Transportation Security Administration (TSA).
Really, now. As I recall, when it was just people of Arabic descent being pulled aside for...ah..randomly selected extra screening, was it? You people were screaming about how a little compromise of personal freedoms or dignity in the name of security was a good thing. Suddenly now that the shoe's on the other foot, it's not such a good thing?

Team Obama's line is that "most" in uniform think there will be no problem, or at least "mixed" good and bad repercussions. But if even an estimated 10 percent choose to leave the service - let alone 40 percent of Marines, who, according to the leakers, think repeal will cause problems - the effect will be traumatic, possibly devastating, for the U.S. armed forces.
Thinking it will have adverse effects does not mean they will leave, bucko. It could mean they are concerned that people like you will try and pitch fit after fit, corroding the forces from within.

12/30/2010 10:45:54 AM

GigaGuess

Part 2

If tens of thousands choose not to submit and "vote with their feet," as the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, Adm. Mike Mullen, has called on them to do, it may become impossible to rely only on volunteers to staff our military.
Hm. So someone finds out that their squadmate is gay, and they decide to leave. And suddenly WE'RE the divisive influence? We want to serve, just like you (Giving you the benefit of the doubt here, far, far more than I should, and assuming you're not just an impotent armchair general.) But people who would target us, or desert the military merely because of our presence are just innocent victims? If the reason was anything...ANYTHING else, you people would be calling them traitors of the highest order.

In that case, a vote for repeal of the 1993 law barring homosexuals from the military amounts to a vote for reinstating the draft.
As has been noted, it didn't ban homosexuals, it just forced them to be closeted as long as they served, allowing a group of people to be discriminated against or blackmailed. Also, while you account for a group of manchilds who would quit rather than serve with a homosexual, but you fail to account for people who WOULD enlist knowing that they don't have to remain in the closet, or not have to face sanctioned harassment.

12/30/2010 10:51:22 AM

Nithing

If only there was some way to avoid that draft, like not starting endless wars..

12/30/2010 11:32:13 AM

WWWWolf

Spinning stories, basic course:

1) Pick up some story that your readers agree with and use terms your readers agree with, such as...

> Obama-led campaign to foist the radical homosexual agenda on the U.S. armed forces

2) Pick another big issue that is In The News, firmly ignoring all finer details and accentuating the ones that have anything to do with story 1).

> a taste of forced intimacy - and they don't like it. In airports around the country, they are being subjected to intrusions on their personal space by people and machines of the Transportation Security Administration

In this case, for example, in 1), it's important to emphasise the evils of Gayness, not evils of civil rights. In 2), it's important to invent and emphasise the link to Gayness, call it "forced intimacy", and use it to attack an issue that's in the news (TSA boneheadedness). Be sure to firmly ignore the fact that TSA boneheadedness is just business as usual, continuing unchanged and unimpeded since it was instituted during the Bush administration.

Happy spindoctoring!

12/30/2010 11:33:58 AM

DevilsChaplain

Of course this guy knows good military policy--he was one of the people in the Project for a New American Century, a neoconservative think tank that advocated wars in both Afghanistan and Iraq. Fuck you Frank!

12/30/2010 11:39:51 AM

John_in_Oz

Just like it was in every other country to allow gay seervicemen to serve openly. Oh, wait...

12/30/2010 11:49:11 AM

Swede

How strange that this only seems to be a problem in the US of A (and possibly Iran and Iraq).

No, I'm not like some people here, always bashing Amerrka. I know most Americans are decent folks.
But, some things just seem to be huger issues Over There, than anywhere else.
Like "accidentally" showing a nipple on TV, or people using curse-words, or gays in the military.

What does it matter if the gays are open about themselves or not?
(To other people, that is - of course it matters to the gay, to be allowed to be themselves).
Isn't it better to know that a person is gay, than just guess it? Guess-work creates rumors and slander. Openness is often relaxing.

12/30/2010 12:31:03 PM

Joe Mama

And in the real world, all the repeal of DADT will do is let gay military personnel not have to feel repressed and discriminated against any more.

12/30/2010 12:55:28 PM

Headache

Let the people who want to leave - leave, they will not be missed!

12/30/2010 1:00:34 PM

Doctor Whom

In that case, a vote for repeal of the 1993 law barring homosexuals from the military

Try learning what it is that you're defending.

amounts to a vote for reinstating the draft.

Strawberries are blue; therefore, the capital of Lithuania is Los Angeles.

12/30/2010 1:09:22 PM

aaa

No. Reinstalling the draft would be a political suicide and nobody would enact it, despite what your warmongering pundits say.

12/30/2010 1:15:32 PM

Wehpudicabok

Personally, I think he's right about the TSA policies--way too intrusive. But the rest is pure bullshit. Anyone who would leave the military because the guy everyone knew was gay can finally admit it isn't someone who should have been there in the first place--letting their personal feelings get in the way of their duty is not exactly model behavior.

12/30/2010 1:43:52 PM

Old Viking

Gays have been in armies as long as there have been armies. No one gave a particular shit until you dullards came along.

12/30/2010 2:04:46 PM

feralboy12

Good idea--just draft people in a lottery based on their birthdays. Then we can be sure no gays will get in.

12/30/2010 2:10:39 PM

BalthazarTheWise

Also, I am confused as to why he would act like the draft is a bad thing.

Isn't it every republican's dream to force us 'bleeding heart' liberals into raping and killing arab children for the greater glory of the oil companies and the military/industrial complex?

12/30/2010 2:26:47 PM

Papabear

"a vote for repeal of the 1993 law barring homosexuals from the military amounts to a vote for reinstating the draft."

O_o You're a nutter for damn sure.


12/30/2010 3:31:11 PM

TheJebusFire

In airports around the country, they are being subjected to intrusions on their personal space by people and machines of the Transportation Security Administration (TSA).


But you had no problems with "random" selections, did you?

12/30/2010 3:52:53 PM



Inventing alternative realities?

12/30/2010 4:47:36 PM

dionysus

Imagine if one of our enemies caught wind of this and sent an army of gays to chase our soldiers away from their posts. Then we'd really be screwed.

12/31/2010 12:53:27 AM

bbqburrito

To clear things up:
Homosexuality is (soon to be was) still illegal in the military, and if you are caught you will be subject to court-martial. So homosexuals are not allowed in the military.
What DADT did was enact a policy of not pursuing investigations for anything but the most blatant homosexuality.
It also removed the famous "are you gay?" question from the recruiting paperwork.
For example, if enough people saw you kissing a guy in a club (assuming you are male), you would be investigated, and enough people would definitely mean more than one or two. If someone found a playgirl under your mattress or just thought you acted kind of "swishy" you would no longer be investigated.
Part of the investigation would be to determine whether you exhibited a "pattern" of gayness. If they found that you had a history of being heterosexual but were just overcome in a moment of weakness or were claiming to be gay without acting gay, they would drop the investigation. In fact, the only surefire way to get kicked out of the military for being gay was to have a gay marriage.
It wasn't a good way to get out anyway. You were better off getting injured or claiming not to be adjusting to military life.

12/31/2010 2:53:45 AM

GodotIsWaiting4U

Except there will be no "forced intimacy" in the military. You do not understand what you are talking about.

12/31/2010 12:51:18 PM

Brendan Rizzo

In airports around the country, they are being subjected to intrusions on their personal space by people and machines of the Transportation Security Administration (TSA).

So you support the terrorists? Why am I not surprised?

12/31/2010 4:46:33 PM
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