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This is one of my biggest problems with religion. It teaches people that it is ok to not understand nature.
Can't explain it? Stop asking questions! Just assume god.
1/6/2011 11:04:47 AM
Ahhh yes, however would our ancestors, the aquatic artic apes, have survived at the bottom of frozen lakes without this amazing property of water?
1/6/2011 11:43:28 AM
The harmonics of specific atoms that allow for combinations friendly to life that would otherwise be rare.
Uh, life IS rare. Have you looked at the universe? It's mostly non-life. And out of the billions of billions of stars out there we only know of one place that has life. And it hasn't been easy here either as there have been a number of catastrophic extinction events that have wiped out large numbers of species.
1/6/2011 12:53:00 PM
These are all awesome, beautiful things that nonetheless do not require a creator. There may be one, but this is not evidence.
1/6/2011 12:54:55 PM
Yes the universe is a wonderful place, however that doesn't prove the existence of a Supreme Being.
1/6/2011 1:17:44 PM
Ice doesn't float because it "takes more oxygen with it". It also doesn't float to be kind to the creatures at the bottom of a given body of water. It floats because water is less dense at freezing point that it is at about 4 degrees celcius. The things that live at the bottom of water bodies that are liable to freezing just take advantage of that remarkable property. I learned about this in primary school and yet you accuse use of being in the "worldview prison"?
1/6/2011 1:34:40 PM
I do see "the awesome beauty of creation". I just don't label it 'creation'.
Ice takes oxygen with it when it freezes? The dissolved oxygen (and nitrogen and carbon dioxide and maybe other trace gases) remain as water crystallises into ice; the process doesn't draw additional gas in from surrounding water or air (at least not appreciably enough to account for the significant density difference). Ice molecules are simply packed less closely than are water molecules, resulting in a 9% decrease in density.
Isn't it better to actually try to understand these processes rather than to simply assign them to your god?
1/6/2011 2:03:38 PM
Time to bring out one of my favorites:
All things dull and ugly,
All creatures short and squat,
All things rude and nasty,
The Lord God made the lot.
Each little snake that poisons,
Each little wasp that stings,
He made their brutish venom,
He made their horrid wings.
All things sick and cancerous,
All evil great and small,
All things foul and dangerous,
The Lord God made them all.
Each nasty little hornet,
Each beastly little squid.
Who made the spikey urchin?
Who made the sharks? He did.
All things scabbed and ulcerous,
All pox both great and small,
Putrid, foul and gangrenous,
The Lord God made them all.
1/6/2011 2:16:17 PM
"Fractals. Fibonacci numbers. DNA."
All discovered and used by scientists in their "world-view prisons," I might point out.
That I don't attribute the fact that ice floats to a deity is irrelavant. I'm not in a prison, I'm in reality.
1/6/2011 2:32:25 PM
1/6/2011 2:43:59 PM
The freezing of water is a physical change, not a chemical change. This is really really really really basic physics.
1/6/2011 3:16:13 PM
God is real because MATH!! Everybody spread the word!! XD
1/6/2011 3:27:22 PM
By that logic, 1 + 1 = 2 or circles is proof of a creator.
And FYI, oxygen has fuck all to do with making ice float in water.
1/6/2011 3:39:40 PM
when you don't understand the world, then the world must have a creator.
1/6/2011 4:11:05 PM
Nature is awesome, beautiful, terrible, and testable. What does that have to do with your invisible friend? (BTW your understanding of science needs serious polishing)
1/6/2011 4:11:27 PM
Isn't it absolutely marvellous? Sheer bliss! The wonders of nature. I've just been in the garden looking at the fractals in the sunflowers. The majestic DNA of an elegant slug nibbling away at one of my lettuces was an enchanting sight to behold. The airy dancing of atoms, in all their harmonic wonder, shimmered all around me. How delightful. If I could only see the invisible one.
How I long to see the mighty cloud-lounger. The sublime cranial kipper. Only in very relaxing and quiet craniums of course. I can see DNA. I can see atoms. I can see Fibonacci numbers and fractals. But I can't see inside numpties' heads.
1/6/2011 4:18:35 PM
I am sorry so many of you are locked in worldview prisons that keep you from seeing the wonders of reality and the many beauteous things borne of chaotic, undirected natural processes. Fractals. DNA. (Fibonacci numbers are a just sequence established by a human being, a sequence that happens to crop up in nature a lot) The reactive qualities of specific chemicals that allow for the development of life. The unique hydrogen-bond-derive behaviors of water, which enable life to flourish as it does.
1/6/2011 4:19:55 PM
Bah! Your idea of a designer is one so fraught with mental problems, it resembles more a deranged donkey that caught rabies.
1/6/2011 4:22:32 PM
Oh! What a beautiful garden! There simply MUST be fairies at the bottom of it!
1/6/2011 5:39:50 PM
This is where magical thinking will get you.
1/6/2011 6:11:39 PM
Kimbal Binder's Imaginary Husband
I am sorry so many of you are locked in worldview prisons that keep you from seeing the awesome beauty of evolution and the many signatures of the Natural Selection. Fractals. Fibonacci numbers. DNA. The harmonics of specific atoms that allow for combinations friendly to life that would otherwise be rare. The wonderful behavior of water, whose properties are most unusual and therefore allow for life, most specifically that ice floats rather than sinks to the bottom of a body of water because when water freezes it takes more oxygen with it, thereby becoming a covering and insulator for bodies of water rather than falling to the bottom and leading to a deadly total freeze of water in cold climates.
1/6/2011 6:30:52 PM
1/6/2011 9:30:33 PM
gaijinlaw: I hereby grant you the Most Awesomely Snarky Statement of the Anthropic Principle Award. (Sorry, Douglas Adams.)
1/6/2011 10:40:37 PM
Intelligent designer? No Designer/Engineer would have put a playground between two sewage treatment plant.
If eyes were so perfectly designed, why do so many need glasses? I could go on and on, but why bother.
1/6/2011 11:27:00 PM
Why do you guys assume that without a god's fingers in the pie that everything would be a mess and thus discovering beautiful symmetry in nature is evidence of design?
The universe is actually so amazing that it creates exquisite form all by itself. It is inherent in its substance. It is what it is.
We see it as "Wow, that is beautiful; I am struck with pure Awe. I want to explore and know more"
You guys see it as "Wow that is beautiful; I am struck with pure Awe. Whoever made it is impressive"
This is because you do not respect the universe for what it is. You don't give it enough credit.
1/7/2011 12:53:49 AM
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