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The average American woman does not hate men, she does not hate marriage, she does not think that all sex is rape, she does not walk around feeling like a consummate victim, she does not glorify abortion and she isn’t inherently liberal. But this is what modern feminism has become. It’s a movement that is filled with women who are extreme leftists, who have a deep-seated hatred for men, and who wallow in victimhood as if it’s some kind of prize to relish. The hijacking of feminism has caused it to be shallow and superficial. Women have been told that in order to be a proper feminist, they have to adhere to a certain set of radical beliefs, they must support abortion, and they must abandon traditional values that Americans have held for centuries.

And yet, they can’t understand why women want nothing to do with feminism anymore.

Sarah Palin represents American women much better than these modern feminists do. She has a certain set of conservative values and she is a feminist. She does not, however, say that you must agree with her in order to be a feminist. She does not demand you agree with her on every last issue in order to like her, either. She could be a huge asset to feminism if they’d get over their stubborn snobbery.

Women like Sarah Palin because they see themselves in her, even if they disagree politically. She’s a working mom with a loving husband and a great family. She got into politics by getting involved with the PTA, for crying out loud. She didn’t set out to make history or change the world. She’s got a common-sense, take-charge, no-nonsense attitude that women can relate to. She sees herself as a self-made woman, rather than constantly catarwauling about how she’s a victim. Women like her for all of these reasons. She’s an everywoman, and she is easier to relate to than extremist role models like Amanda Marcotte or Jessica Valenti.

Cassy Fiano, NewsRealBlog 106 Comments [1/6/2011 4:54:30 AM]
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Submitted By: Honky McCracker
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JonathanE

Sure, and if someone pisses her off, she is not above abusing her office to get even, or ruining that person's life. Great role model there...

1/6/2011 5:10:36 AM



I actually (slightly) agree with the first sentence, as there are extremists feminists out there who have the viewpoint that marrying is weakness and submission, and abortion is the only logical answer - yes they do exist.

However using Palin as counter, the woman who embodies pettiness, spite, and ignorance doesn't really help your argument.

Aside: I can't understand how the patriots of America can support this woman when she clearly showed that she can't care less for the country - walking out of her role as the Governor to pursue the book sales and money making and abandoned her constituents - yet they call her the patriot.

1/6/2011 5:24:07 AM

Canadiest

"no-nonsense"???? Palin???
What are you on?


1/6/2011 5:28:36 AM

aaa

So, you value image and attitude above brains and political prowess? No wonder why you guys keep fucking everything up.

1/6/2011 5:44:06 AM



Madame, that is not what feminism has become. If anything, that is what feminism was and what it has backed away from in recent years.
The only reason women are afraid of the word "feminism," is because people like you perpetuate these notions.

1/6/2011 5:47:00 AM

Hasher

Creepily sycophantic, yes, but not fundamentalist.

1/6/2011 6:10:16 AM

Doctor Whom

A few of the more extreme radfems != all of feminism.

1/6/2011 6:10:28 AM

Doubting Thomas

If you think that's what most feminists are like, then you've been listening to Rush again. And if you're going to equate all feminists with the most radical members of that group, then we can say that all Christians are just like Fred Phelps.

Sarah Palin is an idiot, pure and simple. And she's about as far from a feminist as you can possibly get. Anyone who is anti-abortion rights and believes in the traditional role of women is not a feminist.

1/6/2011 6:23:10 AM

Mister Spak

You know the feminists have won when their goals are claimed as traditional conservative values by right wing extremists.

1/6/2011 6:26:08 AM

nazani14

Yes, we feminists walk among you, looking like everybody else, being good citizens and parents.
And idiots like you. Cassy, don't even know enough about recent history to know thank us for all the legal rights and life opportunities you enjoy that women didn't have in 1960.

1/6/2011 6:30:45 AM

John_in_Oz

Not religiously fundie. Not secular Fundie either.
Not even a darnedest thing, no matter how much it might seem to those of differing political persuasions.
She's calling it how she sees it, and giving her reasons why. Just because I'm not a Palin fan doesn't change the fact millions of people are. Contradicting the OP belongs to the realm of political debate, not FSTDT

1/6/2011 7:45:41 AM

shadkat

Ooh, good! Anti-feminism rants, mixed with Sarah Palin fangirlism! Just the way I like to start my morning.

1/6/2011 7:46:36 AM

Brendan Rizzo

Yes, there are feminazis in existence, but most women I know would probably consider themselves feminist, in the sense that they do not believe that women should be subordinate to men, and would reject radical feminism as much as radical antifeminism. We don't go around saying that all Christians are like Fred Phelps or Kent Hovind, so you can't say that all feminists are like Andrea Dworkin.

1/6/2011 7:57:53 AM

C_V


Palin is pretty common, all right, and her "sense" is not what I want running this country. or any country.

1/6/2011 7:59:41 AM

Balthazar The Wise

I consider Cassy's rant to be anti-male as well. Being too proud of being a woman might be taken as less than equal respect for men.

However, in spite of that, she is right about some things. Not just the extreme feminists, but even the common woman might tend to judge a man as guilty until proven innocent unless they are gay or asexual, or see innocent desire on the part of a man as an existential threat to her sexual safety, and in discussions they might well pull out the "it's not safe for a woman to walk down the street at night" card to claim victimhood for herself, when it's not like it's safe for men either.

And that's not even touching on the depraved double standards that allows a woman to dare even lay a finger upon a man in anger, while at the same time a man who would do the same would be treated as a Complete Monster.

Cassy's fault lies in seeing that there is only two extremes. We can reject the conscious or subconscious lack of 110 percent loyalty towards the male gender on the part of women, while not embracing Sarah "no free rape kits" Palin.

1/6/2011 8:20:21 AM

TGRwulf

Feminazi's (feminist extremists) and people like Sarah Palin represent either end of the spectrum, and neither of them represent the average American woman.

1/6/2011 8:49:04 AM

The Lazy One

Not really fundie, although I can kind of see where it might be slightly fundie- not all feminists are crazy-ass misandrists, although I have had several run-ins with those.

I might not agree that Sarah Palin represents American women, but I do kind of agree that there are some really shrill, loony feminists out there.

1/6/2011 8:55:16 AM



I don't think this is that crazy. She makes a good point in the first sentence, and the rest of that post is either opinion or misconception. I don't think this really belongs on here.

1/6/2011 9:02:02 AM

Nicole

Sarah Palin... a feminist.

Don't make me laugh.

I recommend that people Google "feminism 101" and learn what it's really all about.

Also, most feminists are not shrill misandrists. These people do exist, but the stereotype is often a straw man (well, woman) perpetuated by people like Palin who want to discredit modern feminism and make themselves feel progressive for keeping the status quo.

Finally, radfems are everyone's enemy - including their own.

1/6/2011 9:02:27 AM

TB Tabby

The average American woman does not hate men, she does not hate marriage, she does not think that all sex is rape, she does not walk around feeling like a consummate victim, she does not glorify abortion and she isn’t inherently liberal.

And neither does the average feminist.

1/6/2011 9:11:38 AM

perdurabo

Snowbilly Snooki, the grifter from Wasilla is a feminist? Riiiight....

1/6/2011 9:43:22 AM

Panz

So your description of a woman should be a dumb, lying moron that quits half way through but it's all ok if she continues to be stupid and lets her man rail her without complaint?

How about this instead. You shut up and let women be whoever the hell they want to.

1/6/2011 9:45:02 AM

Dan Onymous

If she was that conservative, shouldn't she be at home doing what her husband tells her to instead of going out working?

1/6/2011 10:08:24 AM

Swede

Who the heck glorifies abortion? It's sometimes the lesser of two evils, a hard decision to make. No glory whatsoever.

Modern feminism is kinda tame. We almost have the same freedoms, opportunities and options as men do. It was harder in the times of Emmeline Pankhurst, Selma Lagerlöf and Marie Curie.

I consider myself a feminist. I have many male friends and am married to a husband that I love. In American views I'm probably extreme leftist, but in European views I'm somewhere in the middle of the left side. I don't consider myself a victim, but there are a few obstacles that would have been easier if I had been born a male. But this is a problem with the whole society, it's not men's fault, really.

What traditional values do we have to abandon? That the woman should love, honor and obey her husband and master? That the husband has the right to "correct" his wife if she displeases him? That he is the owner and ruler of the home? Good riddance to them, I'd say!

If Sarah Palin represents American women, does that mean that American women are daft as geese, naive, uneducated and totally clueless about the world around them? Nah, it can't be. I believe and hope that most American women are more like Zainab Salbi than Sarah Palin.

I detest Sarah Palin and cringe at the thought of seeing myself in her.
She's got common-sense? Yeah right!

1/6/2011 10:09:50 AM

Kollege Messerschmitt

@Balthazar The Wise

"However, in spite of that, she is right about some things. Not just the extreme feminists, but even the common woman might tend to judge a man as guilty until proven innocent unless they are gay or asexual, or see innocent desire on the part of a man as an existential threat to her sexual safety, and in discussions they might well pull out the "it's not safe for a woman to walk down the street at night" card to claim victimhood for herself, when it's not like it's safe for men either."

Please, do remember that it's more complicated than that. Yes, men are more likely to get robbed or beaten up on the street - but they aren't usually exposed to all the victim blaming women get when they are sexually assaulted. It's always "What did she wear?", "Was she alone?", "Was she in a bad part of the city?", "did she drink?". Please, don't take it personally.
*sighs*
I guess it's a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation :\

"And that's not even touching on the depraved double standards that allows a woman to dare even lay a finger upon a man in anger, while at the same time a man who would do the same would be treated as a Complete Monster. "

Believe me, most feminists want to fight this double standard, too.

@TB Tabby

THIS.

1/6/2011 10:10:55 AM
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