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But to be fair, I think that in Atheism, you always have to rule out intelligent design and Creator. So, if you are an atheist looking at Mt. Rushmore, you must presume that the Presidents faces appeared as a result of purely natural causes.

While I think there are indeed very tough questions that we as Christians cannot answer, I think Atheism too has it's questions.

VladK, exchristian.net 76 Comments [1/7/2011 6:47:45 AM]
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Beyondisme

Holy shit!

Fundies finally decided the name of their God is Gutzon Borglum and the name of Jesus must actually be Lincoln Borglum!

Fascinating . . .

1/7/2011 6:52:42 AM

Bad Wolf

Concerning the carving of Mt. Rushmore, there are records, photographs, even movies of the project from start to finish. Unless you believe Gudson Borlund was a Deity, then a purely naturalistic explanation for Mt. Rushmore is readily at hand. When you can provide construction records, photographs, etc. of God at work constructing the Universe, then perhaps your strawman will stand withouot a stick up his ass. Untill then, however, watch out for any stray gust of wind, because your "argument" is awfully unstable.

1/7/2011 6:55:51 AM

gaijinlaw

This fella conflates atheism with acceptance of evolution and the Mt. Rushmore bit is certainly "BWUUUH?" inducing, but still he's used correct grammar, spelling and punctuation and he doesn't seem to be frothing and hateful. I give him a "meh" and hold out some hope for him.

1/7/2011 6:57:10 AM

aaa

I don't think you understand how people think in real life.

1/7/2011 7:06:01 AM



"So, if you are an atheist looking at Mt. Rushmore, you must presume that the Presidents faces appeared as a result of purely natural causes"

I think I just had a hemmorage from the stupid.

1/7/2011 7:08:41 AM

Doubting Thomas

Damn, how stupid can you be?

Being an atheist doesn't mean you have to rule out intelligent design or a creator (and if intelligent design isn't religious creationism, why do you people always capitalize "creator?").

And we know who carved Mt. Rushmore because we have the history books, not to mention some of the people who worked on it are still alive.

Why can't Christians ever come up with a good analogy?

1/7/2011 7:10:46 AM

Lucilius

Atheism does have its questions. A major one right now is "WTF is wrong with this VladK assclown?"

1/7/2011 7:14:48 AM

JonathanE

The Mt Rushmore carvings were intelligently designed; by humans.
Fool.

1/7/2011 7:35:30 AM

Quantum Mechanic

pathetic

1/7/2011 7:37:04 AM

Brain_In_A_Jar

Evolution only works on large populations of self-replicating entities.

Have you ever seen two mountains fuck? (If so, who's your dealer?)

1/7/2011 7:38:23 AM

JonathanE

I agree that PEOPLE, in general, have very tough questions. Christians have the "goddidit" answer, Atheists look a little deeper.

1/7/2011 7:42:08 AM

Not Today

>>> While I think there are indeed very tough questions that we as Christians cannot answer, I think Atheism too has it's questions.

Oh he's so close. Everybody has questions. Atheists just don't attribute anything they don't know or understand to God.

1/7/2011 7:45:23 AM

Navelgazer

GutzonBorglumdidit!

1/7/2011 7:50:38 AM



No. Just no.

Not even wrong.

1/7/2011 8:15:37 AM

Mister Spak

"While I think there are indeed very tough questions that we as Christians cannot answer"

You can start with "if the universe is 6000 years old, how do lakes have 200,000 years of seasonal sediments on the bottom?". Then you can move on to "Who designed god?".

1/7/2011 8:22:43 AM

Zeus Almighty

@ Brain

"Have you ever seen two mountains fuck?"

No, but I have seen two trees fuck. Of course there was some LSD involved.
A group of six or so of us watched in silence for about 10 minutes, until someone finally said, "Did you see those trees fucking?"

1/7/2011 8:24:46 AM

KittyKaboom

But to be fair, I think that in Atheism, you always have to rule out intelligent design and Creator. So, if you are an atheist looking at Mt. Rushmore, you must presume that the Presidents faces appeared as a result of purely natural causes.

Um...no. There is photographic, written and historical evidence of the designing and sculpting of Mount Rushmore. This obviously rules it out as a natural occurrence.

I know you fundies have a problem with the whole 'citation seriously fucking needed' thing, but here is a good example of the principle. You see, there is plenty of documentation (that means an easily verifiable citation), for the creation of Mt. Rushmore. There is, however, absolutely zero proof demonstrable of the christian god creating the universe, earth or pretty much anything else.

Until you can provide physical proof of the event(s), please refrain from claiming it as fact.

That is all.

1/7/2011 8:43:59 AM

j

Wait... what the hell!?

1/7/2011 8:53:16 AM



So....God carved it?

...fridiot

1/7/2011 9:18:15 AM

WatermelonRat

Incredibly stupid, but at least it's not outright hateful. That shouldn't be that much of a plus, but with fundies, that's the best you can get.

1/7/2011 9:50:03 AM

TB Tabby

Vlad, there are two very logical reasons why we accept that Mount Rushmore was a product of design. First, we have records of the carving of Mount Rushmore, as well as other instances of stone carvings, along with stone carvings being made today. Second, we have no knowledge of any natural processes that result in such stone carvings. This is why we can safely conclude that Mount Rushmore was carved by an intelligent designer: GUTZON BORGLUM.

However, we have never seen your "Creator" create anything out of thin air. We have no records of it outside your holy book, which is hardly an unbiased source. And there are perfectly feasible natural explanations for all those things you claim are "too complex" to have formed naturally. Yeah, we've got questions. But the difference is in how we approach them. When you encounter an unknown, you blurt out "Goddidit" and leave it at that. When we encounter and unknown, we say "I don't know, so let's find out!" Tell me, which approach is more likely to come to a logical answer?

1/7/2011 9:58:46 AM



Sorry man, but there are RECORDS of the guys who did that. Better luck next time.

1/7/2011 10:28:56 AM

shadkat

Yes, I always rule out the idea of a creator, personally. I spent three hours working on a drawing the other day, then I stared at it in confusion for a minute and said, "Holy shit, that just spontaneously appeared in my sketchbook from natural causes!"

*eyeroll*

1/7/2011 10:34:57 AM

Anon-e-moose

"So, if you are an atheist looking at Mt. Rushmore, you must presume that the Presidents faces appeared as a result of purely natural causes"

The one difference being, that at least an artistic stone carver existed:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mount_Rushmore

(emphasis added):

'Mount Rushmore National Memorial is a sculpture carved into the granite face of Mount Rushmore near Keystone, South Dakota, in the United States. Sculpted by Gutzon Borglum and later by his son Lincoln Borglum'

And what they carved. Not exactly examples of what is known as 'Pareidolia':

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pareidolia

More popularly known as 'Simulacra' in the magazine "Fortean Times" (with reader-submitted photos of what appears to be 'human'-like faces found in nature:

http://www.forteantimes.com/community/photos/1146/simulacra.html

But then the human mind - especially with it's powerful imagination - will see what it wants to see. But at least our perception of such is tempered by the fact that what we see - especially in solid, physical form - is pure coincidence.

Now, have you, VladK, seen your 'God' (especially taking into account the fact that, whilst a rainbow doesn't actually physically exist, but at least it can be seen), thus say without fear of contradiction that he definitely exists? Now that's an extremely tough question that a Christian daren't ask, never mind answer. One that we Atheists have an extremely simple answer for.

Now care to ask yourself that question, VladK...?

"I think Atheism too has it's questions."

Yes we have, thanks for asking:

1- How much more is there to know about the universe we live in? How many more mysteries can we solve, thus making the previously unknown, known? (on the basis of saying 'I don't know' is the beginning of wisdom). How many gaps are there left that science can fill, thus, in the process, destroying religion?

2- How can anyone 'believe' in something that they can't prove exists? (certainly to the satisfaction of we Atheists)

1/7/2011 10:46:44 AM



"How can we reconcile manmade monuments with a no gods worldview?" is not a tough question for anyone with a brain to answer. This isn't fundy, but it is breathtakingly stupid.

1/7/2011 10:48:59 AM
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