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My name is John Benneth. I’m a homeopath.And this is story about biologists, three in particular, who have studied . . it.

It is fashionable with atheists and pseudo scientists like Myers to trash it and its research. It is a compulsion. They can’t help themselves. They have to do it, for it puts everything they hold dear at risk.

Trashing it is like a cheap magic trick, hawked as self working and E-Z-2-DO. It gives the trasher the feeling he’s accomplished something for himself under the guise of protecting society from what they characterize as ineffective medicine. But like the cheap magic trick, when it finally arrives in the mail, you realize it was misrepresented.

Pretty good trick . . on you.

Really what it is, it’s hate speech, using the same kind of tactics used against minorities by hate groups. It really shouldn’t have any place in academia, but pseudoscience has become the infrastructure of higher education.

John Benneth, The John Benneth Journal 105 Comments [1/8/2011 7:36:12 AM]
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Berny

This idiot has the gall to call PZ Myers a pseudoscientist.
Note that he himself is a homeopath and the irony escapes him completely.
The thread is actually quite fun to follow on Pharyngula. Benneth gets the sound thrashing he so richly deserves.

1/8/2011 7:39:16 AM

Matante

Hate speech is against people, not ideas.

1/8/2011 7:39:37 AM

nazani14

People should raid his office and "overdose" on homeopathic remedies.

1/8/2011 8:00:04 AM

John

The book, "Why Evolution Works (And Creationism Fails)" by Matt Young and Paul K. Strode, devotes a chapter to pseudoscience, including an article on homeopathic medicine. Benneth is annoyed because an apparently successful test of homeopathy failed when the experiment was redone as a double-blind. His claim is that one of the observers was the Amazing Randi, and Randi must have switched results by some sort of slight of hand.

1/8/2011 8:02:26 AM



Translation:

WHINE! WHINE! WHINE!

That about cover it.

1/8/2011 8:02:43 AM

Horsefeathers

"Really what it is, it’s hate speech, using the same kind of tactics used against minorities by hate groups. It really shouldn’t have any place in academia, but pseudoscience has become the infrastructure of higher education."

You wouldn't know pseudoscience if you practiced it.

Which you do.

Jackass.

1/8/2011 8:05:06 AM

Doctor Whom

Really what it is, it’s hate speech, using the same kind of tactics used against minorities by hate groups.

Calling any disagreement hate speech is a pretty good sign that you've lost the argument.

1/8/2011 8:28:04 AM

Mudak

I don't think it's too much to ask -- if you make a claim about anything -- that you be able to test it in a controlled environment.

It's really that simple: demonstrate in a real clinical study, with repeatable results, the efficacy of homeopathy and everyone will get off your back.

1/8/2011 8:45:03 AM

Dr. Shrinker

We get the exact same thing from creationists: "Waah, they don't take my claims seriously, its discrimination I tells ya!"

Its very simple John, claims require proof and extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof. If you really understood how science works, you would know this. If you haven't got the evidence to back up your claims, you can expect suspicion, skepticism and, yes, ridicule. This is the same rule that Meyers and every other scientist works under. Your claims of "hate speech" are really just a demand for a free pass on this point.

You want to stop the ridicule? Climb off your cross, quit playing the victim and conduct some real research. Either that, or start studying a real science.

1/8/2011 8:56:36 AM

jas43

what the fuck is this person talking about?
there is no excuse for stupidity.

1/8/2011 8:57:44 AM

Doubting Thomas

Homeopathy is nothing but psuedoscientific bullshit. Supposedly the more diluted a solution is the more powerful a drug it is, because the water molecules retain "vibrations" of the original molecules. Anybody knows that the more you dilute something the less strong it is, and homeopathic "medicine" is no different. What these ripoff artists are doing is selling water to people to cure diseases.

1/8/2011 9:54:30 AM

Elia

Oh wah wah. It's not our fault your fake science didn't stand up to scrutiny.

1/8/2011 10:06:26 AM

anevilmeme

By hate speech you mean facts & evidence.


1/8/2011 10:08:06 AM



Nasty tactics. Something John Benneth knows all about. Check him out here being really mature.

1/8/2011 10:23:32 AM

shadkat

Oh stop whining. Personally, it sounds dammed ineffective to me. I'll stick to normal meds, thanks.

(btw I had to go look up homeopathy and Wikipedia...and got seriously distracted as I skimmed over it. Why is the word remedy italicized every single time?!)

1/8/2011 10:27:46 AM

tnfan22

Shouldn't this be in CSTDT? It's not religion, just conspiracy.

1/8/2011 10:37:16 AM

Raised by Horses

"But like the cheap magic trick, when it finally arrives in the mail, you realize it was misrepresented."

WHAT



I don't think you know what any of the words you just typed mean. In fact, I'll go so far as to claim that you don't know what words or sentences mean, and are just generating sounds instinctively.

1/8/2011 10:46:39 AM

Brendan Rizzo

But every single study of homeopathy ever made has shown that homeopathy works no better than chance. Modern, scientific medicine on the other hand, DOES work MUCH better than random chance.

1/8/2011 10:47:21 AM



And homeopathy is science.............the same way I'm the Empress of China.

1/8/2011 11:39:01 AM

mad the swine

Brendan Rizzo:

The ironic thing is that, back in the 1800s, homeopathy *did* work better than 'Western' medicine, because the state-of-the-art at the time was more dangerous than doing nothing at all. The sincere homeopaths tend to think that modern medicine is still run by the old-time snake oil salesmen.

(The insincere ones, of course, *are* the snake oil salesmen.)

1/8/2011 12:08:08 PM

Little Johnny

Benneth hell, he broketh.

hyuck hyuck *snort* hyuck

1/8/2011 12:15:40 PM

Wehpudicabok

My name is John Benneth. I’m a homeopath.

halfhearted chorus: Hello, John Benneth.

(Irritating plea for unwarranted pity)

Get over your martyr complex. Real scientists have something to contribute to the world. You spout bullshit and cry when we call you on it. Maybe if there was one shred of evidence for ANYTHING you've ever claimed, we would stop mocking you. As it is, you're just good for a chuckle.

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Matante: "Hate speech is against people, not ideas." Hear, hear!

1/8/2011 12:34:01 PM

aaa

You can whine all you want, but you will always be a mark for every con-man and marketeer on the planet.

1/8/2011 12:36:29 PM

dionysus

This is great. Now next time a creationist whines about the scientific community discriminating against creationists I can show them this. Sure, the creationist probably won't get it but everyone else will have a good laugh. Anyway, John Benneth, way to show that when your crap is debunked all you can do is cry about it just like the creationists.

Oh, and by the way, did you hear about the man that overdosed on homeopathic medicine? He had so much he drowned.

1/8/2011 12:48:21 PM

Giardano Bruno

A recent but short-lived line, which never caught on despite the best scientific recommendation, was Bearhugger's Homeopathic Sipping Whiskey. It is a founding fact of homeopathy that the effectiveness of a remedy increases with dilution. Jimkin decided, therefore, that this idea could profitably be applied to his own product.

Strangely enough, the slogan 'Every drop diluted 1 million times!' failed to attract custom even though, in theory, merely being in the same room as an uncorked bottle of the stuff should make the purchaser riotously drunk.

Terry Pratchett, The Discworld Companion

1/8/2011 1:23:27 PM
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