Quote# 78651

[Re. the Mount Soledad memorial cross being ruled a violation of the Establishment Clause.]

In 2001, when militants set out to bomb two colossal Buddhist statues that had stood untouched in Afghanistan for more than a thousand years, the global community rightly condemned the actions as religious barbarism. Like the statues, the Mt. Soledad Cross is a monument to America 's cultural history, a symbol of our Christian heritage and a tribute to brave Americans who laid down their lives in our nation's cause. Their memories should not be besmirched.

Tony Perkins, Family Research Council 72 Comments [1/9/2011 10:56:16 AM]
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Somehow, I doubt he really cared for those "pagan" statues...


1/9/2011 10:56:55 AM


Yeah, we wouldn't want to acknowledge all the non-Christians who died in the Korean War.

Besides, it wasn't originally made as a war memorial. It was just designated as such as a lame attempt to justify it's presence there, well after the fact.

1/9/2011 11:04:01 AM


seperation of church and state buttfuck. You can have your cross where ever you want except on public property

1/9/2011 11:21:36 AM


Were the Buddhas of Bamiyan built by a government constitutionally bound to be secular? Were they even on government land? And of what archaeological value is the Mount Soledad cross?

1/9/2011 11:24:02 AM

Doubting Thomas

You can honor the memories of veterans all you want, just don't do it by putting religious symbols on public property.

And by the way, the site wasn't a veteran's memorial until after complaints were raised about the cross being on public land, so they sneakily decided to call it a veteran's memorial to try to get around the establishment clause.

1/9/2011 11:26:27 AM


What are the odds that Tony doesn't understand the difference between a civil dispute and an act of vandalism?

1/9/2011 11:26:27 AM

Reverend Jeremiah

..and therein lies the hook. Connect your religious symbology to emotionally charged topics. Therefore establishing your religion is as huge a fashion as possible. If someone points out how tasteless your tactic is, then merely accuse the person of insulting the sacrifice of all of those people.

1/9/2011 11:34:01 AM

Percy Q. Shunn

1/9/2011 11:59:45 AM


The Buddhas of Bamiyan were tragically destroyed forever, and a great loss to world heritage, and the history of an ancient land
The cross Soledad, whatever it's historic or archaeological significance, is to be preserved and moved to land belonging to a Christian church only feet away from it's original location
Not exactly the same thing.

1/9/2011 12:11:14 PM

Allegory for Jesus

First. Ammendment. Bitch. It shouldn't have been there in the first place, and it is a tribute only to the "brave Americans" who also happen to be Christian.

1/9/2011 12:15:39 PM


But the Buddhas were aesthetically pleasing. The cross is a symbol of torture and death.

1/9/2011 12:52:02 PM


Except the Mt. Soledad cross VIOLATES THE CONSTITUTION.

So no, you can't have it.

1/9/2011 12:53:52 PM


At this point, I think the cross has secularized into a generic symbol of graves and mourning or honoring the dead--kind of like how genericized trademarks work. Hell, you see crosses used for that purpose in fiction where Christianity doesn't even exist. I think that a cross on public property is acceptable in this instance if it is used more in that context than in an overtly Christian context.

However, all of that said, the people offended by its removal always babble about disrespecting and denying "America's Christian heritage", which gives the cross a religious context, completely revoking its justification in my mind. Either way, peacefully removing crosses from public property is hardly tantamount to an act of terrorism, so you fail even more.

1/9/2011 1:08:34 PM


Meh'd. Just because I disagree with him doesn't make him a fundie. His motives are honorable. He just doesn't understand the Constitution--but then neither do a lot of people.

1/9/2011 1:27:05 PM


Posted on the wrong thing.

1/9/2011 1:32:27 PM


The US is not a Christian nation and removing a religious monument from public land and putting it on private land is not the same as destroying a religious monument by an act of terrorism. Other than that this quote is rather meh.

1/9/2011 1:38:45 PM


1500 year old giant sculptures, the product of hundreds of skilled artists working for decades from a now-extinct culture, vs a hollow concrete cross erected in living memory.

1/9/2011 2:21:02 PM


I don't understand what is so hard for these people to understand in the simple concept of separation of church and state.

I wonder how Tony would react to a memorial minaret?

1/9/2011 2:40:01 PM


His motives are honorable.


1/9/2011 2:53:11 PM

Kevin Klawitter

Percy, will you please stop using that image? Shock value isn't the same as comedy, and deliberately doing something in bad taste isn't the same as satirizing it.

1/9/2011 2:58:00 PM


Yes, Jesus-fuckballs Percy what IS that?!

1/9/2011 3:06:31 PM

Old Viking

Fifteen points for "besmirched."

1/9/2011 3:17:43 PM


In other words. "We should violate the constitution based on my imaginary version of U.S. history.

1/9/2011 3:51:14 PM


I think taking down the cross is bullshit but uh . . . on the same level of the Buddha statues the Taleban blew up? That's bullshit too.

1/9/2011 4:01:06 PM


The buddhist statues are a fair bit older having been built in 500 AD. The Mt. Soledad cross was built in 1954...

The first one had been burned by the KKK and the second one fell over. Thus proving that 1500 years ago buddhists could build shit that could still take a RPG to the face and remain standing (That's right, the Bamian Buddhas are still standing albeit missing their faces)

Brave atheists and brave jews also gave their lives in the Korean war which was not fought to protect your nation's cause as much as waggle your collective penises in the face of a bunch of people far far away. Seriously Korea was a tragic waste of life and unresolved simply because we didn't like Communists.

1/9/2011 4:06:01 PM

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