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The leaders of Kenya's evangelical movement are pressuring the national museum to remove a world-famous collection of bones which conclusively depict the evolution of apes to humans.

The collection includes the most complete skeleton yet found of Homo erectus, the 1.7 million-year-old Turkana Boy unearthed by Dr Leakey's team in 1984 at Nariokotome, near Lake Turkana in northern Kenya. The museum also holds bones from several specimens of Australopithecus anamensis, believed to be the first hominid to walk upright, four million years ago. Together the artefacts amount to the clearest record yet discovered of the origins of Homo sapiens.

Bishop Bonifes Adoyo, the head of Christ is the Answer Ministries: "The Christian community here is very uncomfortable that Leakey and his group want their theories presented as fact. Our doctrine is not that we evolved from apes, and we have grave concerns that the museum wants to enhance the prominence of something presented as fact which is just one theory."


Bishop Bonifes Adoyo, Joe. My. God. 60 Comments [1/13/2011 4:37:22 AM]
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Doctor Whom

If reality makes adherents of your religion so uncomfortable, that says something about your religion.

1/13/2011 4:53:03 AM

Serph-no-Okami

Yeah, that stone cold evidence staring you in the face is far to inconvenient for your poor religion, isn't it?

1/13/2011 5:24:38 AM




Religious Person: "I don't believe in evolution because there is no evidence."

Sensible Person: "Here is the evidence right in front of you."

Religious Person: "How dare you! That is offensive. Making me look at something I disagree with is racist and infringes my right to practice my religion."

Religious Person: "I don't believe in evolution...."

Repeat till they start burning things.

1/13/2011 5:26:55 AM

Swede

If it makes you uncomfortable, then don't go there.
The sight of the Bocksten man made me very uncomfortable when I was a kid. I avoided looking at skeletons for years after that experience.
What I didn't do, was telling every museum to remove their skeletons from the displays, as the uncomfortableness was my problem and not the museums'.

1/13/2011 5:39:23 AM

Argle Bargle

"Your evidence is invalidating our dogma! Remove it immediately!"


1/13/2011 5:58:21 AM

Brendan Rizzo

AARRRRGGGHHHH!

So it's not enough that creationists deny the evidence of evolution without having seen it themselves, but even when shown the evidence firsthand in a public place, they are so offended that they demand it be removed, so that no one else has the opportunity to discover the truth. Typical fascist behavior. PLEASE tell me that the whoever in charge of this exhibit is not going to give in to their demands. This museum is probably one of the only facilities of higher education in that entire country, and since Kenya, unlike Uganda, is not yet a total lost cause, they need all the help they can get!

1/13/2011 6:06:39 AM

Paler_Face

To paraphrase the bishop:

"Reality does not reflect our preciously held beliefs, THEREFORE REALITY IS WRONG!"

These people really need to read 'the Demon Haunted world' (did anyone get that I really like thiat book/)

1/13/2011 6:10:38 AM

Raised by Horses


1/13/2011 6:24:48 AM

Mister Spak

"The Christian community here is very uncomfortable that Leakey and his group want their theories presented as fact. Our doctrine is not that we evolved from apes, and we have grave concerns that the museum wants to enhance the prominence of something presented as fact which is just one theory."

Normal people in Kenya are very uncomfortable that a bunch of superstitious primitives object to a museum containing facts, and want their mythology presented as fact.

1/13/2011 6:39:41 AM

Brianisha

I find it uncomfortable that after centuries of witch burnings, child rape and other atrocities, christians are still going strong.

1/13/2011 6:42:54 AM

Doubting Thomas

Looks like it's not just American fundies who want to be willfully stupid and anti-science.

Someone needs to tell them that they'll remove the skeletons from the museum when they start teaching actual science in their churches.

1/13/2011 7:02:29 AM

Anon

Vast areas of Africa are undergoing rapid evangelization just right now. Fundamentalist christianity together with traditional superstitions make a very explosive mixture.

I can only hope that the museum has adequate security measures. There is imminent danger that these priceless treasures of human evolution get destroyed in an attack lead by "faithful followers of Christianity".

This has happened before, several times. Religious fundies tend to get aggressive, including physical attacks, against everything which they deem incompatible with their fairy-tales.

1/13/2011 7:16:52 AM

aaa

I don't think you understand how scientific method works.

1/13/2011 7:25:36 AM

StoneSpiral

I'm almost afraid that those skeletons are in danger of being stolen and destroyed by these people. It would be a shame for yet another piece of our collective history to be reduced to dust by religious zealots.

1/13/2011 7:35:57 AM

Dr. Shrinker

So start your own museum Bishop. I'm sure your organization has the funds, and if Ken Ham can found a museum, anyone can.

1/13/2011 7:46:47 AM

Tardis

<Our doctrine is not that we evolved from apes...>


Neither is it the doctrine of anyone elses since...WE ARE APES!

1/13/2011 7:48:04 AM

TGRwulf

Yet, again massive fail at understanding the difference between theory and scientific theory.

1/13/2011 8:04:08 AM

Anon-e-moose

"The Christian community here is very uncomfortable that Leakey and his group want their theories presented as fact. Our doctrine is not that we evolved from apes, and we have grave concerns that the museum wants to enhance the prominence of something presented as fact which is just one theory."

This is your current location, Bish:



(which is also in Africa - the cradle of humanity - coincidentally).

What backs up facts - proving they are no longer 'theory' - is evidence. Facts destroy 'faith', pal. Deal with it.

We have the evidence. We win.

1/13/2011 8:09:26 AM

shadkat

So what else is the museum supposed to do with these skeletons? I guess they could put them up with a sign saying: "These are skeletons. Yup. We won't say anything else at the risk of offending someone's delicate sensibilities. But please feel free to stare at them."

1/13/2011 8:24:50 AM

Canadia

In before they destroy them or something, calling it right now.

1/13/2011 8:39:42 AM

breakerslion

@ Canadia:

Yup, seconded. When coercion fails, resort to violence.

1/13/2011 9:25:28 AM

Brain_In_A_Jar

Our doctrine is not that we evolved from apes, and we have grave concerns that the museum wants to enhance the prominence of something presented as fact which is just one theory.

Bones aren't theories; they're evidence (that you'd conflate the two indicates, beyond shadow of doubt, that you have no fucking clue what you're talking about). You're not demanding the theory not be proposed; you're demanding that people shouldn't be allowed to look at the evidence or, presumably, even know that it exists for them to look at.

You're demanding the museum hide things whose existence would otherwise be patent, undeniable truth to anyone with functioning sense receptors to examine them.

You're thus demanding that they lie by omission.

Your own religion forbids lying.

1/13/2011 10:47:13 AM

shunyata

Atheist/rationalist: "The sky is blue"
Christian fundy: "No, it's not"
A/r: "How can you say that? Just look at it"
Cf: "I don't care, my bible says it's greenish-red, so that's what it is, and if you don't believe me, I'm suing for discrimination"

Yeah, it's that stupid.

1/13/2011 11:26:24 AM

rw23

"The secular community here is very uncomfortable that Adoyo and his group want their doctrine presented as fact. The evidence indicates that we evolved from ancestral apes, and we have grave concerns that the church wants to enhance the prominence of something presented as fact which is just demonstrable nonsense."

Fixed.

1/13/2011 11:27:30 AM

rw23

@shunyata:

I hate to throw a Godwin, but your analogy reminded me that Hitler had something to say about people (artists in this case) who represented the sky as something other than blue. Needless to say, his thoughts didn't lead anywhere nice.

PS. Please don't take that as a criticism; I agree with you. It just popped into my head and I thought I'd share.

1/13/2011 11:34:17 AM
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