Quote# 78785

I'll say it: I agree with George Washington. Those godless, postmodern secular-socialists, who, today, hold the reins of government, are unpatriotic. Fringe leftists like Barack Obama, Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid seek to "subvert" Washington's "great pillars" of "religion and morality" and are distinctly un-American for it.

Part and parcel of Obama's agenda has been to push, at a fever pitch, the most extremist pro-abortion, pro-homosexual, anti-Christian agenda in American history.

Indeed, in contrast with the deeply held religious and moral values embraced by our Founding Fathers, today's America is governed by an "immoral" and "irreligious" chief executive. Barack Obama is the high priest of secular-socialism.

He seeks to undermine — if not altogether dismantle — the American exceptionalism that, hitherto, has been fundamentally woven throughout our national fabric.

He aspires to the lowest common denominator. He seeks to uproot Ronald Reagan's "shining city on a hill" and relocate the "land of the free and the home of the brave" to a much lower altitude, alongside those Euro-Marxist nations he so admires and wistfully desires to emulate.

Matt Barber, Renew America 119 Comments [1/14/2011 4:31:18 AM]
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Argle Bargle

Hmm, let's see. We have founder worship, lumping together various movements and philosophies into a singe entity, Obama paranoia, American exceptionalism, Reagan worship, and last but not least, Europe bashing.

All in all, a perfect storm of neocon drivel.

1/14/2011 4:58:56 AM

So basically what you're saying is if American leaders aren't striving to make America a Christian theocracy, then they are trying to destroy America.

Not even wrong.

1/14/2011 5:05:24 AM


I'll take Obama's secular agenda over your fascist agenda anyday, Barber.

1/14/2011 5:14:13 AM

Mister Spak

I'll say it. I agree with George Washington. You are a moron.

1/14/2011 5:14:37 AM


¨He seeks to uproot Ronald Reagan's "shining city on a hill" and[...]¨
Isn´t that supposed to be St. Thomas Aquinas´s City on the Hill or something?

1/14/2011 5:16:52 AM


Someone doesn't know the first thing about the Founding Fathers of the US of A, I see. Can't say I know that much about them either, but, as I'm a Swede, it's not that strange, really. I DO know that most of them were deists, and worked really, really hard to keep the new union free of the religious doctrines that ruled (and destroyed) the Old World at that time.

Oh, btw, Obama is definitely right-wing. There is not one iota of socialism in him, I guarantee you. Oh, maybe just one iota.

There are no "Marxist" countries left in Europe, as far as I know. Maybe Bulgaria or Albania is a bit "Marxist" still.

1/14/2011 5:21:01 AM


I can't... no words...I knew Matty boy was messed up in the head but...this...the stupidity is so heavy I think I have massive organ failure...


1/14/2011 5:50:09 AM

Mihangel apYrs

all his "extremist" work barely puts him in the outer fringes of the right wing in Europe. We have a consensus of REASONBALE minimum care for everyone, not discriminating because of people's sexuality (etc)

And WTF is "American exceptionalism"? It makes it sound as though the US has an inferiority complex! You grew out of European stock and ideas. Your founding fathers were as at home in London or Paris drawing rooms as in Boston. Your ordinary people have done nothing that other, earlier pioneers did to populate the world, the only difference is that we have records of it.

The only real difference is that the Colonies were overrun by the puritans and self-righteous who fled England because they got up everybody's nose (and I'll admit to legal impediments to practicing their cultism). And I think this is at the bottom of a lot of the issues in the US. Franklin, Adams et al would never be in positions of political power in the current climate.

1/14/2011 6:00:20 AM


You know, just don't use those fancy buzzwords like "Marxism" when you don't know what they mean. Over here in Europe there is exactly no Marxist nation, or are we communists because we try not to let homeless people die out of starvation or cold?
Does public healthcare make us Stalinists?
And i guess we are anti-christian just because we try to enforce equal rights for every religion?

PROTIP: All three questions are best answered with no. And you know nothing about the real world, so go out and stop rambling around. You woun't read that anyway, but it would help.

1/14/2011 6:01:02 AM

Table Rock

Tell me Matt, what color is the sky in your world?

1/14/2011 6:02:06 AM

Mrs. Antichrist

"Patriotic" doesn't mean "agree with Matt Barber on every single point".

1/14/2011 6:04:48 AM


Slavery and Native murder...

Oh right!

1/14/2011 6:22:11 AM


I don't think George would want anything to do with you, you fucking wacko.

1/14/2011 6:32:43 AM

Doubting Thomas

Yes, we all know that every single one of the founding fathers were bible-carrying Baptist ministers. Fortunately the U.S. Constitution sets up a wall of separation of church and state, so no matter how much you Christians whine about what you think the founding fathers wanted, we have a secular form of government.

And by the way, I seriously doubt that George Washington wanted a Christian theocracy. I do notice Matt doesn't mention Thomas Jefferson, who strongly defended the idea of separation of church and state.

1/14/2011 6:33:50 AM

Brendan Rizzo

I hope that George Washington is just a screen name that a previous visitor to that site had used, because the real Washington never said anything like that. Obama et al. are about as close to center as they can be. They aren't "fringe leftists" by any stretch.

This is a pretty minor point, but there have been American presidents who were more pro-abortion than Obama. And yes, homosexuals are getting a lot of human rights (which they should have already had) under the Obama administration. However, nothing in it can really be construed as anti-Christian, because Obama himself is one. (Oh right, your ilk thinks he's a Muslim atheist, despite how oxymoronic that is. Well, you're just wrong.)

"High priest of secular-socialism"? Don't make me laugh! You have just demonstrated that you don't know what words mean. Nothing Obama has done is undermining the United States. If anything, he's trying to restore its reputation after the disastrous administration of his predecessor.

And no, it's your ilk that aspires to the lowest common denominator, and uproot any cities on hill (which, by the way, was not coined by Reagan) to the much lower altitude of the Third World nations your ilk so admires and wistfully desires to emulate.

1/14/2011 6:55:27 AM

David B.

"I'll say it: I agree with George Washington."

You mean this George Washington?

"Be courteous to all, but intimate with few, and let those few be well tried before you give them your confidence."

"If the freedom of speech is taken away then dumb and silent we may be led, like sheep to the slaughter."

"My first wish is to see this plague of mankind, war, banished from the earth."

"Observe good faith and justice toward all nations. Cultivate peace and harmony with all."

"Over grown military establishments are under any form of government inauspicious to liberty, and are to be regarded as particularly hostile to republican liberty."

"While we are contending for our own liberty, we should be very cautious not to violate the rights of conscience in others, ever considering that God alone is the judge of the hearts of men, and to him only in this case they are answerable."

"Of all the animosities which have existed among mankind, those which are caused by a difference of sentiments in religion appear to be the most inveterate and distressing, and ought most to be deprecated."

"To speak evil of any one, unless there is unequivocal proofs of their deserving it, is an injury for which there is no adequate reparation."

Silly me, of course you don't.

1/14/2011 6:59:42 AM


They're just now getting around to making a Republican George Washington to go along with Republican Jesus.

1/14/2011 7:23:24 AM


I tried to process this in one of the test compartments in my brain and as a result, it has caught fire.

1/14/2011 7:23:48 AM

Joe Mama

The thing that annoys me the most about conservatives is this idea that if you don't agree with them 100%, then you're "un-American," and if politicians have policies they disagree with, then they're guilty of "treason."

1/14/2011 7:25:27 AM

I must say, people like Matt Barber give an awful lot of credit to Barack Obama, perhaps even more than he deserves.It is actually up to Congress to make these decisions, not the president, which is why this should be said in response to the OP:
Consent from Congress, bitch!

1/14/2011 7:28:38 AM

I read about the afterlife

Those "Euro-Marxist Nations" are doing MUCH better than we are.

1/14/2011 7:32:01 AM


He says "godless, postmodern secular-socialists" like it's a *bad* thing.

1/14/2011 7:44:28 AM


Fringe leftists like Barack Obama, Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid? If these are the left fringe, where does he think the center is? Glenn Beck?

1/14/2011 7:44:46 AM

Yeah, because slavery was so religious and moral, right?

Fucking founder worship...

1/14/2011 7:49:46 AM


Yeah.What you need is a God-fearing, anti-abortion, pro-gun, rich-get-richer Republican in the White House. Except that.. wait a minute. Obama is a christian. Only the other day he made a speech with explicit references to heaven in it. And those founding fathers of yours, some of them were religious and some of them weren't. Their main source of inspiration was European enlightenment philosophy (Locke, de Montesquieu etc) and their religiousness tended to be expressed in the form of deism. They explicitly provided for the separation of church and state and certainly did not want some sort of Christian theocracy.

1/14/2011 7:51:25 AM

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