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It would be naive to suggest what appears on the surface as textual contradictions and historical errors, as well as suspected moral dilemmas, do not exist in the Bible. But, it is as intellectually dishonest to conclude that the Bible is not the word of God as it would be to suggest electricity does not exist because we cannot explain it.

Rev. Guy BonGiovanni, Youngstown News 89 Comments [1/19/2011 3:49:21 AM]
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Percy Q. Shunn

Except, of course, for the troublesome fact that we can explain electricity. Don't you just hate it when truth, knowledge, and facts get in the way?

1/19/2011 3:53:24 AM

Peregrin

Honestly, what is this guy saying? The Bible is the word of God because it can be explained? ... Really? That easy, huh?

1/19/2011 3:55:03 AM

WMDKitty

Ummm... we CAN explain electricity.

1/19/2011 3:56:06 AM

Dakota Bob

Fuckin' electricity, how do they work?

1/19/2011 4:01:04 AM



The problem is, we can explain electricity. Moreover, since it's a human discovery and its management a human creation, if we didn't understand, we wouldn't be able to. And comparing the Bible with that is apples and pears. The Bible is a very simple book in its message and, if its message is to be followed, there can't be a dilemma, otherwise, which model are you supposed to follow?

1/19/2011 4:01:25 AM

Anon

Electricity is a natural phenomenon. We can measure it, we have strong theoretical models for it. We can explain it.

"God" is a cultural phenomenon. Similiar to:

Harry Potter (which does *not* prove the existence of real wizards)
'A midsummer night's dream' (which does *not* prove the existence of real fairies)
'The Muppet Show' (which does *not* prove the existence of talking frogs and pigs)
The Bible (which does *not* prove the existence of 'God')

They are all *stories*! Or, regarding the Bible: "It's just a book, dude."

To put *natural* phenomena on the same level as *cultural* phenomena is serious intellectual dishonesty, my dear fundie.

1/19/2011 4:17:47 AM

Cy

I require all comments of this nature to be able to pass the Doctor Who Rule. Namely: if an argument for any religious text can be applied equally well to Doctor Who, it's not a good argument.

(The fictional TV show/book/film/etc of your choice can of course be substituted.)

1/19/2011 4:18:42 AM

JonathanE

Those textual contradictions and historical errors aren't the only errors. The Gospel of John, for instance, get the entire geography of the "holy land" wrong.
Leviticus suggests that painting spots on a stick and waving them in front of pregnant livestock will affect the genetics of the offspring.
These don't "appear on the surface" to be errors, they are just plain stupid, goat-fucker errors.
By making these the "word of God", you really paint God to be a real numbnuts when it comes to knowledge of how the world he supposedly created works.
But, what's the point, really. You're too indoctrinated to see the obvious.

1/19/2011 4:39:37 AM

Amanda

Um...except we can.

1/19/2011 4:50:52 AM

Doctor Whom

We can't explain electricity (except that we can); therefore, the Bible is the Word of God (except that that doesn't follow).

Strawberries are blue; therefore, the capital of Lithuania is Los Angeles.

1/19/2011 5:04:22 AM

Orion

You know I could explain Inception to you but that still doesn't mean it happened

1/19/2011 5:11:37 AM

Pule Thamex

I reckon the Bible is the word of God. And it proves that God is a fucking retard.

1/19/2011 5:43:53 AM

Raised by Horses

Electrical charge is the property of certain kinds of subatomic particles, and affects their electromagnetic interactions. These particles create and affect electromagnetic fields.

And the bible is the word of man, not God.

1/19/2011 5:48:43 AM



WORDS CANNOT FUCKING COME CLOSE!!!!

FUCK FUCK FUCK. ITS NOT FUCKING MAGIC.

Sorry, but I have an honours degree in Electrical Engineering and I take this very personally.



1/19/2011 5:56:50 AM

Mister Spak

But, it is as intellectually dishonest to conclude that the Koran is not the word of God as it would be to suggest electricity does not exist because we cannot explain it.

Fixed.



1/19/2011 5:57:22 AM

John

But, it is as intellectually dishonest to conclude that the Bible is not the word of God as it would be to suggest electricity does not exist because we cannot explain it.

World's worst analogy. Not only can we explain electricity, we also have proof that it exists. If you need more, stick a fork in an electric socket. All we have with the Bible is the Bible's own claim that it's the word of God. Should we believe Gulliver's Travels is the word of Lemuel Gulliver because it says so?

1/19/2011 6:11:33 AM

484

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maxwell%27s_equations#Table_of_.27macroscopic.27_equations

1/19/2011 6:16:45 AM

Jezebel's Evil Sister

Funny. The president of the National Electrical Contractors Association also lives in Youngstown (and he's a Christian, too!), but he can sure explain electricity, inside and out.

1/19/2011 6:46:07 AM

Mintywolf

But . . . we . . . CAN explain electricity!!!

And magnets are NOT fucking miracles either.

For Cthulhu's sake people, pick up a book!!!

1/19/2011 6:52:35 AM

Doubting Thomas

At least he's actually admitting that apparent errors and contradictions exist in the bible, even if he's trying to sugarcoat it with "appears on the surface." Which means he's got some ad hoc hypotheses to explain them away.

And yes, we can explain electricity. Or did you mean that you fundies can't explain it?

Really, that's as lame as the "well you can't see the wind, but we know it's there; you can't see God, but he must be there too" argument.

1/19/2011 6:59:48 AM

gaijinlaw

@Cy
I require all comments of this nature to be able to pass the Doctor Who Rule. Namely: if an argument for any religious text can be applied equally well to Doctor Who, it's not a good argument.

[size=18]THE DOCTOR
DIED
FOR YOU!!![/size]

(like, 10 times so far)

1/19/2011 7:04:40 AM

Dr. Shrinker

We can demonstrate the generation and application of electricity for you. You cannot demonstrate the generation or application of your god. Oh, you can pray and attribute a positive result to god. However, if electricity does not get a positive result we can explain why. If your god does not produce a positive result, all you can do is shrug your shoulders and say that "god works in mysterious ways."

1/19/2011 7:11:58 AM

werewolf

The tide goes in, the tide goes out. Per Bill O'Reilly, we can't explain that, either.

1/19/2011 7:12:05 AM

nutbunny

"But, it is as intellectually dishonest to conclude that the Bible is not the word of God as it would be to suggest electricity does not exist because we cannot explain it."

BECAUSE???

1/19/2011 7:17:19 AM

raindrops

Is it too much, to ask you to use your brain once in a while?

1/19/2011 7:23:50 AM
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