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Most people don’t realize that male homosexuality does not always lean to the effeminate. Historically, male homosexuality was much more often associated with hyper-masculine warrior societies which were usually very brutal and very politically aggressive. The most recent example was in Germany. Hitler’s initial power base when he launched the Nazi Party was a private homosexual military force organized and trained by a notorious pederast named Gerhard Rossbach. Rossbach’s homosexual partner Ernst Roehm, who was also Hitler’s partner in forming and building the Nazi Party, converted the “gay” Rossbachbund into the dreaded SA Brownshirts.

Scott Lively, Defend the Family 72 Comments [1/26/2011 5:47:44 AM]
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nutbunny

Homos are actually not the nancy boys you have been led to believe they are.

They're MANLY MEN!
Blood-thirsty warriors who would rip out your spine and rape you with it.

Be afraid, be very afraid.

1/26/2011 5:55:19 AM

Jack Bauer

Does this count as autogodwinism?

1/26/2011 6:01:12 AM



"Does this count as autogodwinism?" (Jack Bauer)

Yes, he is saying that homosexuals are Nazis, which is wrong, since the nazi party persecuted homosexuals, and only allowed people who they would not persuecute into the SA. Therefore, this is a false reference to Nazi Germany and therefore a Godwin already. Therefore, if you compare Scott Lively`s post with nationalsocialism, you are not invoking a Godwin, as the Godwin has already been invoked.

This is how I see these things.

1/26/2011 6:12:13 AM

KR

I know that already. I'm a guardian of masculinity, man! Far from those dudes who just scream "GAY" miles away as they walk by. Not my cup of tea, but Kudos to them anyways. Everyone shall follow their own paths in life, even if it'd be different from grey mass, know as sheeples.

1/26/2011 6:12:44 AM

Mister Spak

" Historically, male homosexuality was much more often associated with hyper-masculine warrior societies which were usually very brutal and very politically aggressive. "

That's exactly the kind of people you want in the army. So tell me again why you oppose gays in the military?

1/26/2011 6:18:14 AM

Freethinker

Historically, male homosexuality was much more often associated with hyper-masculine warrior societies which were usually very brutal and very politically aggressive


Oh, is he right or what? Sparta, The Sacred Band of Thebes, to name a few.
The greeks understood it: Give a man something to fight for and he will fight!

1/26/2011 6:35:39 AM

D Laurier

So Hitler used gay thugs to launch his party.... And then he purged said party of all gay members.

Meanwhile you just admited that gay men are NOT weak or wimpy. They can be tough, aggressive, and militaristic...
Now all you need to do, is admit that they are people.

1/26/2011 6:53:10 AM

Argle Bargle

"Whoops, the sissy stereotype is not intimidating enough. Time to ramp up the fearmongering, and present the newest caricature: scary, hypermasculine gay. Oogabooga!"


1/26/2011 6:56:47 AM

TB Tabby

Yeah, the Nazis loved gay people. Those pink triangles they wore were actually badges of honor.

1/26/2011 7:25:38 AM



So are you saying the Gay Agenda Part 4, Section 2.1.b is "Kill teh Jew"?

I'm not entirely sure what Scott's point might be, but as it's negated by Godwin's Law, I don't suppose it matters.

1/26/2011 7:36:49 AM



Why is it that just because the leader of an organisation is gay, that automatically makes all its members gay, too?

I've no love for the Nazi party of 1920s - 1930s Germany, but aren't they bad enough without having to make stuff up about them?

1/26/2011 7:46:25 AM

Horsefeathers

"Historically, male homosexuality was much more often associated with hyper-masculine warrior societies which were usually very brutal and very politically aggressive."

That sounds (un)surprisingly like a particular party in these here United States. Strange that.

"The most recent example was in Germany."

I believe I just provided a more recent example. However, since you're likely part of that party (should you be in the US), I understand why you ignored it.

"Hitler’s initial power base when he launched the Nazi Party was a private homosexual military force organized and trained by a notorious pederast named Gerhard Rossbach."

Private homosexual military force? Hitler? Surely you're fucking joking.

You know, when people make mention of Hitler's camps, they aren't talking about military training camps where he sent homosexuals to be turned into elite SS troops you fucking jackass.

"Rossbach’s homosexual partner Ernst Roehm, who was also Hitler’s partner in forming and building the Nazi Party, converted the “gay” Rossbachbund into the dreaded SA Brownshirts."

Just how twisted does your brain need to be for this to even remotely be possible?

1/26/2011 7:50:04 AM

Anon-e-moose

"Most people don’t realize that male homosexuality does not always lean to the effeminate."

Of course not. Just ask Ted Faggard:



Ted's a family man. With a wife. Fundamentalist Christian too.



So going by your logic then Scott, you're a Nazi too.

I love the smell of destroyed arguments in the morning. Smells like... victory.

1/26/2011 8:24:39 AM

Brendan Rizzo

Just because the leader of the SA (which was purged by Hitler before the war anyway, numbskull) was gay, does not make his organization inherently gay, and even if it did, the fact that the Nazis oppressed homosexuals and the fact that gay people are not Nazis makes you a shameless liar for... I don't know who, exactly. I would say Jesus, but religion is not specifically mentioned. Reagan, perhaps? Nah, maybe both.

1/26/2011 8:32:08 AM

Sasha

So wrong I can hardly bear to read it.

1/26/2011 8:49:20 AM



He's actually right, right up until the Nazi part.

1/26/2011 8:59:09 AM

Lucilius

Of course, Scotty-boy has never read Hitler's statements after the Night of Long Knives, when he purged the SA: Hitler went on and on about how he'd "cleansed" it of all those nasty gays. He presented the murder of Roehm and others as a moral victory. The actual reason for the purge, however, was to placate and win over the army officer corps, which (correctly) saw the SA as an undisciplined rival. Slaughtering homosexuals made Hitler "respectable" in ultraconservative eyes. Just like Scott Lively.

1/26/2011 9:31:02 AM

Xotan

And your point is?

1/26/2011 10:34:58 AM

werewolf

Having English as a second language is really a pain, isn't it? I read this post three times and I still don't get it.

1/26/2011 10:40:03 AM

John_in_Oz

That sounds no more plausible than "Few people realise Scott Lively started his own private homosexual military force, which he named 'defend the family', to conceal the fact he's a practicing pedophile. "
I'm not saying its true, I'm just suggesting he should be investigated. Think of the children!

1/26/2011 10:46:33 AM

David S

Hitler promised to restore moral values when he took power in 1933. He imposed a ban on all homosexual and lesbian organizations and publications. Then came raids on the places where homosexuals gathered, culminating on May 6, 1933, with the ransacking of the Institute for Sexual Science in Berlin. If this is the acts of a homosexual - then, Scott explain yourself and your war on the gay community not only in the US but also Africa.

1/26/2011 10:51:58 AM

Mr.Nnamdi

You think this is bad, follow the link.

Makes me sick.

1/26/2011 11:06:24 AM

Beccs

THen why was homosexuality punishable by death in Nazi Germany?

1/26/2011 11:40:14 AM



"Historically, male homosexuality was much more often associated with hyper-masculine warrior societies which were usually very brutal and very politically aggressive. The most recent example was in Germany"

I think you'll find the most recent example is America

1/26/2011 11:51:04 AM

Papabear

So, all those milk-sop, limp-wristed, lisping panty-waists down at the St. Fundie's Church are actually the most manly of men, even though they vote the full Nazi ticket.

1/26/2011 12:04:54 PM
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