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Most people don’t realize that male homosexuality does not always lean to the effeminate. Historically, male homosexuality was much more often associated with hyper-masculine warrior societies which were usually very brutal and very politically aggressive. The most recent example was in Germany. Hitler’s initial power base when he launched the Nazi Party was a private homosexual military force organized and trained by a notorious pederast named Gerhard Rossbach. Rossbach’s homosexual partner Ernst Roehm, who was also Hitler’s partner in forming and building the Nazi Party, converted the “gay” Rossbachbund into the dreaded SA Brownshirts.

Scott Lively, Defend the Family 69 Comments [1/26/2011 5:47:44 AM]
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freako104

If you had used the Spartans you would have been right. The Nazis were vehemently anti gay

1/26/2011 12:08:42 PM



Which is why the homosexuals were rounded up and brought to concentration camps.

1/26/2011 12:18:20 PM



The first thing you say is right. The second is directly counteracted by the fact that Hitler sent homosexuals to concentration camps. Thanks for playing.

1/26/2011 12:54:22 PM

Old Viking

The saying, "When in Roehm ..." refers to old Ernst.

1/26/2011 1:12:48 PM

Doctor Whom

The art of Tom of Finland and Gengoroh Tagame, however much you like fapping to it, is not a historical record.

1/26/2011 1:44:04 PM

Amanda

In other news, Scott Lively smoked a lot of crack and then posted onto the internet today. Now onto sports...

1/26/2011 1:45:00 PM

DarkfireTaimatsu

I thought the most recent examples were Cho Aniki and He-Man. =3

1/26/2011 1:54:50 PM

Freethink

Hitler was executing homosexuals, not using them for troops. Stupid people, stupider remarks.

1/26/2011 2:33:28 PM

AuraTwilight

You know, this was pretty okay until he brought up Germany.

1/26/2011 2:42:21 PM

lisamariefan

*sigh*

Wtf is up with the perpetuation of homosexuals as part of the Nazi regime? It fails to make sense on so many levels.

I guess making sense doesn't matter when you're determined to make "the gay" as horrible and evil as you can make it sound.

1/26/2011 3:49:39 PM

JSS

[Most people don’t realize that male homosexuality does not always lean to the effeminate.]

We're at the top of the hill, sitting fine and dandy...

[Historically, male homosexuality was much more often associated with hyper-masculine warrior societies which were usually very brutal and very politically aggressive. The most recent example was in Germany. Hitler’s initial power base when he launched the Nazi Party was a private homosexual military force organized and trained by a notorious pederast named Gerhard Rossbach. Rossbach’s homosexual partner Ernst Roehm, who was also Hitler’s partner in forming and building the Nazi Party, converted the “gay” Rossbachbund into the dreaded SA Brownshirts.]

...and then the monsoon comes in, wetting the ground and causing a pretty nasty mudslide and a huge mess.

1/26/2011 4:07:07 PM

farpadokly

Some major historical revisionism (ie lying) here. Rossbach and Roehm were gay but deeply closeted cos it was officially disapproved of, as is shown by the fact that the Nazis used to round up homosexuals and put them in camps. Roehm was later executed on the orders of Hitler.
The Freikorps was not a "private homosexual military force".
In any case, this argument is a sort of "argumentum ad hitlerum"; "The Nazis were bad. Some of the Nazis were gay. Ergo, gayness is bad".

1/26/2011 6:13:25 PM

Brianisha

Hitler killed gays retard!

1/26/2011 6:37:08 PM

aaa

Rewriting history for jesus, part 426457347.

1/26/2011 7:00:14 PM

Wehpudicabok

Well, that first sentence is quite correct, but it spirals downward amazingly fast.

1/26/2011 7:02:21 PM



Most people don’t realize that male homosexuality does not always lean to the effeminate.

Someone who says that most people don't realise that is, in their wrongness, identifying themselves as someone who has only just found that out. In other words, someone who is totally unqualified to say anything about gays.

1/26/2011 7:53:04 PM

Elia

He should have just stopped after the second sentence, the first at least.

1/26/2011 8:15:41 PM

Alencon

Rohm was a homosexual as were some others in the Brownshirt leadership. Hell, if 5%-10% of the male population is homosexual this shouldn't be much of a surprise. There is no evidence that more than a average number of Brownshirts were homosexuals.

Ultimately Hitler purged Rohm and the Brownshirts during the Night of the Long Knives because they represented a threat to Hitler's desire to have the support of the Army and the conservative Junker faction.

Lively would have been better off using the Sacred Band of Thebes in his argument. The band consisted of age matched male couples and was based upon the philosophy that lovers would fight more fiercely and cohesively than strangers.

The point is that the overwhelming majority of male homosexuals are indistinguishable from heterosexual males. I don't see how this is an argument AGAINST treating them as equals.

1/26/2011 8:43:01 PM

WMDKitty

DIAF

1/26/2011 11:39:34 PM

Canadia

"Most people don’t realize that male homosexuality does not always lean to the effeminate."

You were doing so well with this, too.

1/27/2011 7:51:44 AM

Tolpuddle Martyr

Hang on, "hyper-masculine warriors" sounds a lot like the fundie ideal of what males should be, what's going on here?

1/27/2011 11:57:08 AM

Dr. Steve Brule

Scott Livery never fails to astound me with his own unique brand of hyper-homophobic pseudohistory. If it wasn't so vile, one could almost call it creative.

On a side note, did any of you catch the awesome Daily Show episode that featured him?

1/27/2011 12:35:53 PM

TheJebusFire

BEWARE GAY HITLER!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f-OyAs-FMwM

1/27/2011 2:19:24 PM

vaiyt

And then he destroyed the SA, killed them all and sent them to death camps.

The cognitive dissonance is showing, Scott. You can't idolize a guy's actions and use him as an automatic bad guy at the same time.

1/28/2011 4:59:56 AM

Skatepunk

He's right about one thing: Not all gays are effeminate. In fact, I've only seen one "girly-gay" at my college. Most gays I know are "straight".

Everything else is BS.

1/28/2011 1:03:20 PM
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