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The Bible provides a complete genealogy from Adam to Jesus. You can go through the genealogies and add up the years. You'll get a total that is just over 4,000 years. Add the 2,000 years since the time of Jesus and you get just over 6,000 years since God created everything.

Is there anything wrong with figuring out the age of the earth this way? No. There is nothing to indicate the genealogies are incomplete. There is nothing to indicate God left anything out. There is nothing in the Bible that indicates in any way that the world is older than 6,000 years old.

The Bible does tell us, however, that the fossils we find could not have been buried before God created Adam. The animals whose bones became fossilized had to have died after God created Adam. That means those fossils must be less than 6,000 yers old. Here's why:

How do we get fossils?

The animal has to first die. That's rather obvious. When did death enter the world? Not until Genesis chapter three when Adam and Eve disobey God. So up until that time neither people nor animals died. So, based on the Bible, there could not be any bones to create fossils until after the fall.

Here's another Biblical reason why the fossils we find could not have been buried before God created Adam:

When we examine fossils, in some of them we see evidence of sickness, disease and cancer. There is evidence of violence and of one animal eating another. So there were some problems. Not everything was good.

Yet, at the end of day six of creation: "God saw all that He made and behold. It was very good." (Genesis 1:31 NASB)

God didn't call His creation just good. He called it very good. A world with sickness, disease, cancer and violence is not good. So, the fossilized bones we now find had to have come from animals that died after God created Adam, and after the fall.

Mission to America, Mission to America 74 Comments [1/26/2011 5:48:54 AM]
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#1248898

Jack Bauer

I don't recall mention of any fossils in the babble...

Unless it is in reference to certain 'elders'!

1/26/2011 5:56:29 AM

#1248899

nutbunny

"There is nothing in the Bible that indicates in any way that the world is older than 6,000 years old."

And that's why, to learn about the Earth and all that's in it, we do not look to the bible.

We look at the Earth and all that's in it.

1/26/2011 5:58:09 AM

#1248903

KR

"God didn't call His creation just good. He called it very good. A world with sickness, disease, cancer and violence is not good."

So, a world with sickness, disease, cancer and violence is not good. It's very good..

WTF?

1/26/2011 6:00:28 AM

#1248907

Jack Bauer

Anyway - who was around in Eden to record the lifespans of those expelled from Eden?

How do we know what god actually said to Adam? Was there some sort of Eden based court reporter?

1/26/2011 6:03:50 AM

#1248912

Anon

It's not only fossils. It's a lot more extremely strong evidence that the earth is much older than 6000 years:

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Evidence_against_a_recent_creation

There is only one valid conclusion: That this collection of fictional stories from the bronze-age, widely known as "The Bible", is NOT the infallible truth.

1/26/2011 6:11:59 AM

#1248916

Blue J

There is nothing to indicate the genealogies are incomplete.

That's funny, I always hear that some people were left out of the genealogies whenever someone mentions that several of the genealogies in the bible conflict with each other.

1/26/2011 6:15:25 AM

#1248918

AIF

Hmmm... A logically sound arguement, sadly built upon fatally flawed premises.

I have to reject your arguement since you have yet to prove that there is such a god and that it indeed created teh world as per the genesis account, and indeed you would have to also explain why all available evidence is as we would expect it to be if there were in fact no intelligent agency behind it at all.

1/26/2011 6:17:32 AM

#1248920

Mister Spak

"The Bible provides . . ." and everything that follows is fail.

1/26/2011 6:20:01 AM

#1248922

Quantum Mechanic

Another F in elementary reality.

How do people this miserably fucking stupid find food?

1/26/2011 6:21:37 AM

#1248926

Dexter

Is there anything wrong with figuring out the age of the earth this way? No. There is nothing to indicate the genealogies are incomplete. There is nothing to indicate God left anything out. There is nothing in the Bible that indicates in any way that the world is older than 6,000 years old.

Because we know that the earth is older than the bible states => The bible is complete and utter bullshit. There you have it. QED

1/26/2011 6:29:24 AM

#1248929

LabRat

There are two genealogies for Jesus. Which one?

1/26/2011 6:32:35 AM

#1248930

Freethinker

http://www.theonion.com/articles/sumerians-look-on-in-confusion-as-god-creates-worl,2879/

*sigh* Even The Onion gets it. How can anyone be this thick?

1/26/2011 6:33:37 AM

#1248941

D Laurier

Cain's wife, and her people in the land of Nod.

1/26/2011 6:56:01 AM

#1248944

Flufflesthepancake

Using the Bible as proof. Classic religious mistake... moving on now.

1/26/2011 6:56:32 AM

#1248951

Argle Bargle

"Long list of begats > archaeological evidence."

Aslo, 2+2=5

1/26/2011 7:03:09 AM

#1248956

Unbeliever

What AIF said. This argument is perfectly logical. In fact, this is a good example how madness works - a perfectly logical interpretation of the world, built on wrong assumptions.

1/26/2011 7:10:38 AM

#1248959

navelgazer

Who is the "we" examining the fossils?

Certainly not you.

And I don't think the geneology is complete from Adam to Jesus.

Lastly, it was Joseph that has some geneology back to David not Jesus, who as you claim was conceived without a man.

1/26/2011 7:20:04 AM

#1248967

This is why when we do science, we start with looking at the evidence and come to a conclusion. When you do hokey religiobabble you start with a conclusion and ignore any evidence to the contrary. Until you understand why the differences between those two approaches are vitally, nay fundamentally important, there is no hope for you or your Mission.

1/26/2011 7:43:19 AM

#1248978

Horus IX

Too bad reality contradicts the Wholly babble.

1/26/2011 8:09:52 AM

#1248979

Anonymous coward

Apparently, somebody did not notice the discrepancy in the genealogies between Matthew and Luke.

1/26/2011 8:11:02 AM

#1248988

Azathoth's Puppy

"There is nothing in the Bible that indicates in any way that the world is older than 6,000 years old."

Conversely, there's nothing to indicate it isn't older than 6,000 years. The Bible says nothing about the age of the Earth, at all.

If you read the fucking thing, you'd know this.

1/26/2011 8:21:52 AM

#1248990

Brendan Rizzo

Of course, if the Bible is wrong, then none of your post is valid. Thus, you cannot and will not convince anyone, because your argument is completely invalid and unsound, and absolutely dependent on circular reasoning and rejection of science to function.

Also, fuck you, missionaries. You are responsible for all or nearly all of the current problems in Third World countries. After decolonization, Africa was actually doing okay for itself, and developing its economy and all that. Then, the missionaries came. Twenty years later, and AIDS ravages the place while the population is almost universally fundie, making them too stupid to solve their problems by themselves, and driving the already-pitiful education standards of those lands down into the ground. Uganda and Somalia are the Most Triumphant Examples of this lawlessness. There is a reason why every Third World country except the ones in Africa are improving themselves. Care to guess what it is?

We, the citizens of the United States, will not allow you Dominionists to transform us into a Third-World country. Go back to the Dark Ages whence you came, stupidity-worshipper.

1/26/2011 8:25:34 AM

#1248992

Brendan Rizzo

Of course, if the Bible is wrong, then none of your post is valid. Thus, you cannot and will not convince anyone, because your argument is completely invalid and unsound, and absolutely dependent on circular reasoning, false premises, and rejection of science to function.

Also, fuck you, missionaries. You are responsible for all or nearly all of the current problems in Third World countries. After decolonization, Africa was actually doing okay for itself, and developing its economy and all that. Then, the missionaries came. Thirty years later, and AIDS ravages the place while the population is almost universally fundie, making them too stupid to solve their problems by themselves, and driving the already-pitiful education standards of those lands down into the ground. Uganda and Somalia are the Most Triumphant Examples of this lawlessness. There is a reason why every Third World country except the ones in Africa are improving themselves. Care to guess what it is?

We, the citizens of the United States, will not allow you Dominionists to transform us into a Third-World country. Go back to the Dark Ages whence you came, stupidity-worshipper.

1/26/2011 8:28:25 AM

#1249006

Socob

It says so right in that book written by lunatics with no understanding of the world over 2000 years ago, therefore it must be true!

1/26/2011 9:02:09 AM

#1249019

Draken

<img src="http://www.911christ.com/images/raptor-attacks.jpg"></img>

Yup.

1/26/2011 9:36:39 AM

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