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The fact that marriage is the union of a man and woman is the law of nature, not the law of "old school moralists" or religious extremists. In fact it is what’s normal. Nature requires a man and woman to reproduce. Two of the same sex just won’t do it – sorry, but that’s a fact. And ideally, this union is the bedrock of a family.

I understand that a minority of people want to redefine this because it's nice to make people feel better or feel normal or included, but it's superficial because nature says it’s not normal and it’s narrow minded to suggest that gay marriage doesn't affect the majority of the population because it affects our children. It IS important to defend traditional marriage because this "redefinition" of what's normal, becomes a part of our kids’ environment and it's counter to what most of us want to teach or want for our kids. Demonize me if you must resort to that, but the law of nature is on my side and is stronger than anything pro-gay marriage forces can concoct.

Seth, Cross Purposes 95 Comments [1/26/2011 5:54:23 AM]
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Jack Bauer

Interesting that this person calls themself 'Seth' - the progeny of the union of brother and sister.

1/26/2011 5:59:09 AM

nutbunny

People don't get married to have children. I think this is where you're tripping up.

And this whole "It Just Ain't Natural" argument is bunkum. The world is alive with the sound of gay animals. Some organisms even have more than 2 sexes!

1/26/2011 6:02:52 AM

HoverSponge

Wouldn't the mere existence of same sex couples indicate that nature includes them... it's not like secret government experiments under the cover of night sought to invent a woman or a man who was attracted to the same sex. Nature allowed for a woman to love a woman, or a man to love a man, possibly a control for over population. Nature beats scissors.

1/26/2011 6:03:57 AM

Mister Spak

The fact that marriage is the union of a man and woman of the same race is the law of nature, not the law of "old school moralists" or religious extremists. In fact it is what’s normal. Nature requires a man and woman of the same race to continue the race. Two of a different race just won’t do it – sorry, but that’s a fact. And ideally, this union is the bedrock of a family.

Fixed.



1/26/2011 6:09:30 AM

C_V


human beings are the most unnatural species on this planet. even if there were no instances of homosexuality/bisexuality in nature, it wouldn't surprise me to find it in people. if you're so hot for the 'law of nature', why don't you go live in a hut and go chase your dinner?

1/26/2011 6:13:19 AM

KR

Nature wants to have a word with you. You're redifing it's course all the wrong ways in your head.

1/26/2011 6:16:23 AM

Dexter

"Nature" is promiscuous. There is no "marriage" in nature, only sex!

1/26/2011 6:37:30 AM

Argle Bargle

Naturalistic fallacy no.34532456

Also, Christianity no longer has a death grip on interpersonal relationships in the West. Spouting Dominionist crap won't change that.

1/26/2011 6:47:38 AM

breakerslion

"Demonize me if you must resort to that,"

Okay.

"And I said, I don't care if they lay me off either, because I told, I told Bill that if they move my desk one more time, then, then I'm, I'm quitting, I'm going to quit. And, and I told Don too, because they've moved my desk four times already this year, and I used to be over by the window, and I could see the squirrels, and they were married, but then, they switched ... from the Swingline to the Boston stapler, but I kept my Swingline stapler because it didn't bind up as much, and I kept the staples for the Swingline stapler and it's not okay because if they take my stapler then I'll set the building on fire..." - Milton Waddams, Office Space

Oh yes, and:

WON'T SOMEBODY THINK OF THE CHILDREN???

We are. We are thinking that they won't be as screwed up about how others conduct their lives as you are.

1/26/2011 6:53:26 AM

LDM

You want to defend marriage? Be faithful, loving and respectful to your spouse. Treat her like a partner, not a child. What everyone else is doing in their relationships has nothing to do with your own, and if you feel the gay couple down the street is a threat to your own marriage, than you need to take a good hard look at yourself, not them.

1/26/2011 6:55:14 AM

shykid

If the "law of nature" is on your side, then please explain this:

- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexual_behavior_in_animals
- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_animals_displaying_homosexual_behavior

Please also explain why marriage is a man-made institution if it is the "law of nature".

Remember, now, the "we're not animals" argument is not allowed, because you just made an argument from nature. You can't have both and just use whichever best suits your opinion at any given time.

1/26/2011 7:34:42 AM



In mammals, its often the case that one alpha male has a harem of females at his... disposal. Its in nature, its natural. Are you sure you want to go down this road?

1/26/2011 7:41:07 AM

huh?


MARRIAGE IS NOT A LAW OF NATURE...PERIOD. It is a fictional institution created by a ridiculous and obviously masochistic person.

1/26/2011 7:45:28 AM



Don't conflate what nature requires for sexual reproduction and what constitutes a family. In nature, families are many and varied and certainly don't always conform to the Christian ideal. Or very often for that matter. The law of nature, not actually on your side.

1/26/2011 7:55:36 AM

Brendan Rizzo

1) Animals don't get married.
2) There are homosexual animals.
3) Biblical marriage is nothing like modern marriage.
4) You are a lying bigot.

1/26/2011 8:08:19 AM

Horus IX

There are some amoebas and bacteria that would like to have a word with you about sexual reproduction.

1/26/2011 8:12:48 AM

The Lazy One

I think I remember reading about a species of lizard where the males died out a while ago and the females reproduce just fine by themselves.

1/26/2011 8:18:40 AM

Zeus Almighty

Oh Seth, you're slipping. Where's the reference to "if gays marry ... then sex with sheep" and how teh gheys are "ramming their lifestyle down your throat."
Why it's almost as if your heart isn't in it. I advise you to go talk to your preacher immediately and pray to your god so that your full-bore christianist hate is restored to its full glory.

1/26/2011 8:27:07 AM



some snails and sea slugs are hermaphroditic and a good deals of plant are too. So much for saying that nature does not support same sex union.

1/26/2011 8:54:42 AM

Socob

That argument again. If homosexuality exists, it's impossible to be unnatural, even if it did only occur in humans. Guess what? Humans are part of nature. If humans do it, it's natural.

Also, as somebody already mentioned, marriage is not a law of nature. As opposed to homosexuality, marriage does NOT occur anywhere else. Oh, looks like we've found something more "unnatural" than homosexuality right there.

1/26/2011 8:58:00 AM

JSS

[The fact that marriage is the union of a man and woman is the law of nature]

Really? You know just the other day I was walking in the woods and saw a buck and a doe getting hitched in front of their family.

Marriage is a man-made institution, just like the government.

[Nature requires a man and woman to reproduce. Two of the same sex just won’t do it – sorry, but that’s a fact. And ideally, this union is the bedrock of a family.]

So infertile heterosexuals...

[I understand that a minority of people want to redefine this because it's nice to make people feel better or feel normal or included, but it's superficial because nature says it’s not normal and it’s narrow minded to suggest that gay marriage doesn't affect the majority of the population because it affects our children.]

I didn't know not growing up with contempt for gays was some kind of handicap.

[It IS important to defend traditional marriage because this "redefinition" of what's normal, becomes a part of our kids’ environment and it's counter to what most of us want to teach or want for our kids. Demonize me if you must resort to that, but the law of nature is on my side and is stronger than anything pro-gay marriage forces can concoct.]

The law of nature where over 1500 species have engaged in homosexuality?

1/26/2011 9:07:37 AM

nazani14

Even if only 3% of human population is gay, it's still natural. Uranium is a rare element, yet nobody argues that it's not natural. In fact, the term "natural" as a description is ridiculous. It is impossible for us to be aware of anything that is out side of nature- if there even is such a thing.

1/26/2011 9:08:24 AM

John_in_Oz

Yeah, fuck that Jesus of Nazareth and the Polygamous marriage he preached in favour of, Seth knows better.

1/26/2011 9:12:17 AM



Point debunked a billion times. Next!

1/26/2011 9:13:36 AM

Dr. Razark

"And ideally, this union is the bedrock of a family."

Very well, then. You get to go tell every single married couple that cannot or will not reproduce that they are no longer to be counted among the married people.

1/26/2011 9:18:10 AM
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