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NAMPA -- A new Idaho law enacted in 2010 is designed to protect medical professionals by allowing them to refuse health care services that conflict with their religious, moral or ethical principles.

But Planned Parenthood says a Nampa pharmacist acted in the wrong and was not protected by the law when she refused to fill a prescription. [...]

The prescription at the center of this is methergine. It’s used to prevent bleeding after childbirth or after an abortion.

In November, a Planned Parenthood nurse called this Nampa Walgreen's for a methergine prescription.

According to Planned Parenthood, the Walgreen's pharmacist asked if their patient had an abortion.

The nurse says she cited federal patient privacy laws and refused to answer.

"The pharmacist said, 'Well, if you're not going to tell me that and she had an abortion, I'm not going to fill this prescription.' And then our practitioner said, 'Why don't you tell me another pharmacy that I can call or another pharmacist that can dispense this medication for my patient?' And the pharmacist hung up on her," said Kristen Glundberg-Prosser of the Planned Parenthood of the Great Northwest.

Planned Parenthood called the pharmacist's actions dangerous.

Nampa Walgreens pharmacist, KTVB Idaho News 88 Comments [1/28/2011 4:48:13 AM]
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The Truth

(PART 2)
1 Samuel 15:2-3 (New King James Version)

2 Thus says the LORD of hosts: ‘I will punish Amalek for what he did to Israel, how he ambushed him on the way when he came up from Egypt. 3 Now go and attack Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and do not spare them. But kill both man and woman, infant and nursing child, ox and sheep, camel and donkey.’”

Hosea 13:16 (New King James Version)

16 Samaria is held guilty,
For she has rebelled against her God.
They shall fall by the sword,
Their infants shall be dashed in pieces,
And their women with child ripped open.

Numbers 5:17-21 (New King James Version)

17 The priest shall take holy water in an earthen vessel, and take some of the dust that is on the floor of the tabernacle and put it into the water. 18 Then the priest shall stand the woman before the LORD, uncover the woman’s head, and put the offering for remembering in her hands, which is the grain offering of jealousy. And the priest shall have in his hand the bitter water that brings a curse. 19 And the priest shall put her under oath, and say to the woman, “If no man has lain with you, and if you have not gone astray to uncleanness while under your husband’s authority, be free from this bitter water that brings a curse. 20 But if you have gone astray while under your husband’s authority, and if you have defiled yourself and some man other than your husband has lain with you”— 21 then the priest shall put the woman under the oath of the curse, and he shall say to the woman—“the LORD make you a curse and an oath among your people, when the LORD makes your thigh rot and your belly swell;

1/28/2011 3:27:38 PM

loki

Wow, well it looks more and more that the good old days of freedom and respect the US where so pround of are a thing of the past. Welcome in the United Christian (Theocratic) States of America

1/28/2011 4:02:42 PM

SenorTucan

I'm thinking about getting a job as a surgeon, but I have to ask all my patients if they are TRUE CHRISTIANS before I operate, because I love life and freedom so much, I'm willing to let people different than me die. GOD BLESS AMERECKAA

1/28/2011 4:16:59 PM

Evilution Teacher

@ The Truth

I think you are on the wrong board. Thanks for coming by.

1/28/2011 4:59:38 PM



There are aspects of every job you are not going to like. If this interferes with your ability to do said job, you should chose a new one.

1/28/2011 5:48:02 PM

Bree

The Idaho Board of Pharmacy has decided that the pharmacist's actions were perfectly acceptable:

"But according to the Board of Pharmacy’s response, the Idaho Pharmacy Act does not require a pharmacist to fill a prescription. Even if the conscience law was used incorrectly, the pharmacist did not violate the Idaho Pharmacy Act by refusing to fill the prescription, the board found. [...]

“We’re disappointed. We’re not surprised,” Kristen Glundberg-Prossor, spokeswoman for Planned Parenthood of the Great Northwest, said Monday. “This decision confirms that, in Idaho, a pharmacist has no duty to fill any prescription for any reason. Right now, there is no protection under Idaho law for patients to receive treatment if a pharmacist refuses to provide it.”

http://www.idahopress.com/news/article_816c0cfe-2852-11e0-aa56-001cc4c002e0.html

1/28/2011 6:32:07 PM

Elia

Remind me to never move to Idaho. Actually I think I'll avoid the Midwest except for random visits. (Idaho is considered part of the Midwest, right? I could never remember.)

1/28/2011 6:40:43 PM

John

So what are we saying? That in Idaho, a Muslim doctor can refuse to treat a Christian? A Baptist can refuse to treat a Roman Catholic? A white doctor can refuse to treat a black person? What is Idaho - a lunatic-fringe theocracy?

1/28/2011 7:25:19 PM

lisamariefan

Do you think it should be some kind of requirement to be a doctor or pharmacist or whatever in the first place to acknowledge that you may not always agree with what you must do to help others? Sure, not everyone who's otherwise qualified would get the job, but it would just completely avoid the issue of people getting denied healthcare because of a, as I like to call it, pre-existing belief.

Actually, you know what? This type of scenario isn't much different than a vegetarian/vegan applying to be a waiter or something at a restaurant and then suddenly refusing to serve people a dish because it has meat in it. It's really no different.

Edit: In fact, this would give people legal remedy if the company decided to fire them for refusing to provide care. Isn't this an item on the religious conservative agenda? Aren't conservatives always talking about smaller government? Oh wait, that's right. They're only about smaller government when it isn't about some issue that aids their religion. Or maybe it's against the federal government...or some combination. How exactly they think escapes me again.

1/28/2011 8:12:47 PM



The Republican party violates my moral and ethical principles. Does this mean that when said Fundie comes into my pharmacy, I can ask, "Have you voted Republican?", or Do you watch Glen Beck/Fox News?", and then refuse to prescribe anything that would save the fundie's life if s/he answers in the affirmative?

1/28/2011 9:13:10 PM

WMDKitty

Here's hoping that dumbass is fired.

1/28/2011 9:27:41 PM

StoneSpiral

Laws of that nature don't help anyone in the first place. It just give bigots an out.

1/28/2011 9:34:40 PM

Alencon

Dangerous and unethical as well. How does one have the nerve to refuse someone a medical prescription?

1/28/2011 9:47:12 PM

Fedup

Well I suppose letting her bleed takes less manpower than stoning her to death

1/28/2011 10:53:54 PM

Nowonmai

If you have a problem dispensing prescribed medications, then you need to find another job.

1/29/2011 12:50:44 AM



Since the State of Minnesota was mentioned, we have an interesting take on this kind of law here it is called the Conscience Clause

"conscience clause" is legislation that would allow pharmacists to refuse to dispense contraception on the basis of "ethical, moral or legal grounds as long as the pharmacist notifies their employer in advance and the employer can ensure a patient has timely access to the drug or device"

Notice how the pharm gets to object, but only AHEAD of time and only if there are other options the patient can get to right now, right now. Middle of nowheres? Nope, Mr. Pharmy's gotta fill that BC. I still don't think any pharm should be in the business of refusing to fill what a Dr ordered, but if people are going to be asinine about it, I think this is a decent compromise.

1/29/2011 3:06:37 AM

Argle Bargle

Denying medication to those who need it while simultaneously claiming the moral ground is the height of evil.

1/29/2011 4:18:52 AM

The Wild One, Forever

This proves again my theory that fundies hate women.

1/29/2011 4:19:42 AM

John_in_Oz

@ Evilution Teacher

That was a beautiful piece of snark. Sadly, I think it was misdirected. 'The Truth's' posts were a magnificent anti-Fundy jab, quoting from their holy book multiple instances where their God is in favour of child-killing.
Still- I hope to use your line sometime in the near future :)

1/29/2011 5:56:14 AM

Doubting Thomas

So how is helping a woman not bleed to death interfering with someone's Christian beliefs? Assuming the woman had an abortion, it was already done and the pharmacist wasn't assisting in the abortion, just in preventing bleeding afterward. But who's to say the patient hadn't had a baby?

True, with HIPA nurses can't give hardly any patient health information. And to be perfectly honest, it's none of the pharmacist's damn business.

1/29/2011 9:26:12 AM

Anon-e-moose

@The Lies

"Ezekiel 9:5-7" tl;dr...

...your point? And your Scriptural shite is relevant in any way with the quoted matter at hand... how? I think you'll find that Ruptured Retards is that way --------->

@John

And I wonder what would happen if a fundie patient was refused treatment by an Atheist doctor when he/she said to her "Why are you here? If 'faith' can move mountains, then just pray your ailment away. If you're requiring human, medical intervention - specifically of a scientific nature - then you don't have much 'faith' in your Faith."

And if said doctor was interviewed, and his/her words to said fundie patient were quoted verbatim, then the critics in the Religious Right would be completely fucked. What would they say? Enjoy your paradox, fundies.

1/29/2011 12:49:11 PM

Krimzon Flygon

There are now officially only 49 states in America. I refuse to aknowlege Idaho as a member of this nation.

1/29/2011 1:11:10 PM

Brendan Rizzo

That Idaho law is just asking for trouble. When someone dies because their pharmacy's clerk refuses to fill out a prescription, I hope said hypothetical person's family sues the state for all they have? Why do they always allow religious people exceptions to duties that non-religious people must obey?

It's not even like this clerk had any proof that the woman had an abortion. Even if she did have an abortion, that can't be undone, so you should at least try to limit the loss of life here. And imagine if the prescription medication had nothing at all to do with abortion. Can you imagine the outcry? But regardless, this clerk's standard for evidence is about the same as those of the medieval inquisitions and witch hunts, in other words, no evidence at all. It dismays me that there are still people who act like that.

And since this clerk does not feel any need for evidence, somebody should claim that it would go against his or her religion to give this pharmacist any vital prescriptions, just so that said pharmacist knows what it would be like to be on the other end of his or her supersition and bigotry.

1/29/2011 1:50:50 PM

Meshakhad

Fire him. Retroactively.

1/29/2011 2:38:39 PM

Melissa

@catholicgirl
Planned Parenthood doesn't JUST perform abortion. They provide prenatal, gynecological, and other services to men and women who can't afford to go to a regular hospital. Yes, they perform abortions, but that is a MINUTE portion of what they do.
And in any case, this "pro-life" idiot pharmacist is pro-fetus, not pro-life, because if you're Pro-life, you seek to protect the sanctity and life of all.

1/29/2011 2:48:16 PM
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