Quote# 79094

A littlle advice to young Atheists… A young man who wishes to remain a sound Atheist cannot be too careful of his reading. There are traps everywhere. Bibles laid open, millions of surprises, fine nets and stratagems. God is, in a way, very unscrupulous. You may argue against God, but answer me this: if the universe seems so cruel and unjust, how did you get this idea of just and unjust? A man does not call a line crooked unless he has some idea of a straight line. What are you comparing this universe with when you call it unjust? You will never know how much you believe something until it is a matter of life and death. If you think of this world as a place intended simply for our happiness, and intellectual freedom you find it quite intolerable: think of it as a place of training and correction and it’s not so bad.

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Old Viking

This guy thinks it's OK to train and be corrected for a contest he never requested.

1/29/2011 2:16:31 PM


Um, the atheists I know are more knowledgeable about the bible than most Christians I know.

1/29/2011 2:35:46 PM


The Biblical god is cruel and unjust.

1/29/2011 2:47:05 PM

Dr. Shrinker

"God is, in a way, very unscrupulous."

Anyone who has actually read a bible knows that.

"...think of it as a place of training and correction and it’s not so bad."

Of course, for training and correction to be of any use, you have to be paying attention and understand the significance of what you are perceiving. Once you start doing this, you begin to see the efficacy of science and the inanity of religion.

1/29/2011 3:06:25 PM


@WWWWolf: Fundies do look at the Bible through some interestingly distorted rose-colored glasses, don't they? I had one tell me that the Bible was the only "perfect" book, hence OBVIOUSLY divinely inspired, because it began with creation and went on through history to the end of the world. I congratulated that person for discovering that storybooks have a beginning, a middle and an end. Went right over her head.

1/29/2011 3:42:19 PM

Reverend Jeremiah

It was reading the Bible that pushed me away from Christianity, or anything Judaic for that matter. I have read that book TWICE cover to cover, and it converted me from a Christian to an atheist. When I see a Bible, sometimes I gag. So why would an open Bible do ANYTHING other than reinforce the conclusion I came to from honestly reading it and weighing the facts?

In my opinion, Christians should avoid reading their bible if they wish to remain a Christian.

1/29/2011 4:13:35 PM


In other words accept a fantasy that makes you feel better rather than searching for the truth.

Sounds like a losing proposition to me.

1/29/2011 4:34:52 PM


This is why I'm NeoPagan.

1/29/2011 4:48:57 PM


If you think of this world as a place intended simply for our happiness, and intellectual freedom you find it quite intolerable: think of it as a place of training and correction and it’s not so bad.

So what are you saying? That instead of seeking happiness, we should accept that some invisible and undetectable power is testing us by treating us like crap because He has decided that He will reward us based on our ability to survive being treated like crap? What kind of fu@ked up theology is that?

1/29/2011 5:36:23 PM


"An atheist cannot be too careful of his reading". Here we see the arrogance that assumes that the Bible and all the other Christian texts are potent tools for conversion, when it's more likely that someone became an atheist BECAUSE of the Bible.
It is not "the universe" that is unjust, but social and political systems made by MAN that can be unjust. Moral ideas proceed from MAN.
"A place intended for our happiness" or "a place of training and correction". No, that's a false dichotomy, it's neither. We are not dogs, that we have to be "trained and corrected".
So, to sum up: arrogance, false dichotomy, godwin, self-fulfilling prophecy, masochism, divine sanction to bolster up an unjust system. More or less what i've come to expect.

1/29/2011 5:43:47 PM


Yup, that's a perfect way to bring atheists* back to religion: to tell them that God is unscrupulous and doesn't care for their happiness while they're on the earth, the only plane of existence which they believe even exists. Why would you *not* want to abandon your entire belief system for this worldview, the most fervent followers of which can honestly say is "not so bad"?

*who are apparently all male; do females not count?

1/29/2011 6:43:07 PM


Sorry retard, but finally truly reading the Bible is what made me an atheist. The trick is to read it with an open mind and to ask questions. Don't accept anything at face value because it's all bullshit.

1/29/2011 7:22:00 PM

Evilution Teacher

Reading The Bible = intellectual freedom? By the way, the first thing my husband and I do in a hotel room is put the open Bible into a drawer.

1/29/2011 8:47:55 PM



1/29/2011 8:54:32 PM


I do think the universe is "unjust" in the trivial sense of "sometimes bad things happen to good people," but that's just an observation. No need to put a reason behind it.

Here's why I don't believe in God:

I conceive of a world without God, and a world with God. Then I ask myself, which one does our world more closely resemble? I have never seen any evidence for the latter.

1/29/2011 9:44:25 PM


When an Atheist reads a bible, typically they think "What a horribly written piece of fiction!"

1/29/2011 9:46:09 PM


1/29/2011 9:56:40 PM

David G

Dude, reading the bible is what helped make me an atheist to start with. Reading it now just reinforces my beliefs and the reasons for them.

1/29/2011 10:25:44 PM

Tolpuddle Martyr

Bibles laid open? Honestly old theist, the bible is the worst thing you could want to use if you wish to steer young atheists into theism!

1/29/2011 10:45:18 PM


A littlle (sic) advice to theists of any age: Reality doesn't give a shit about what you believe.

1/30/2011 12:26:02 AM


It was a great-Aunt buying me a 'Children's Bible' nearly fifty years ago that set me on the path to atheism. Even at that age I realized the creation story was a myth but what really freaked me out was God commanding Abraham to sacrifice Isaac, then going 'Ha!Ha! Only joking! Kill this ram instead...'

1/30/2011 2:23:59 AM

Argle Bargle

I'm betting that all those traps, nets and stratagems are John 3:16 boilerplate being repeated over and over again.

1/30/2011 3:50:28 AM


There I was, god-hating atheist and then one day my eyes accidentally fell on an open Bible. Needless to say, I had never seen one before and was instantly converted by the profound wisdom within.

What was the verse you ask? I dunno, something about ancient Hebrews begating each other, or some genocide or a recycled Greek proverb, I forget.

1/30/2011 7:24:06 AM

Raised by Horses

A little advice to Christian demagogues... A young man who wishes to remain a sound Christian cannot be too careful of his reading. There are traps everywhere. School books laid open, millions of pieces of evidence for evolution and astronomy as they are now understood, fine research and sound arguments. Science is, in a way, very insidious. You may argue against science, but answer me this: if the universe was created by and is lorded over by an invisible man in the sky, why is there no convincing evidence for his existence? One does not believe that ostriches can fly simply after being told that they do. And one's belief in any matter does not alter the reality of the situation. If you think of this world as a place simply intended for our torment by a psycopathic, vindictive, insecure and wholly illogical deity, you will find it quite hard to live in, or to back up your beliefs with any real evidence. Think of it instead as a world made up of physical laws that are knowable through research and reasoning, and it's not so bad.

1/30/2011 7:27:27 AM


Prokhor Zakharov: Man's unfailing capacity to believe what he prefers to be true rather than what the evidence shows to be likely and possible has always astounded me. We long for a caring Universe which will save us from our childish mistakes, and in the face of mountains of evidence to the contrary we will pin all our hopes on the slimmest of doubts. God has not been proven not to exist, therefore he must exist.

1/30/2011 7:27:52 AM

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