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I do not believe in the existence of atheists. No, this is not a play on words or a trick statement. Atheists don’t exist. By “atheist” I am referring to the ideal person who does not believe in the existence of God, not the person who labels themselves as an atheist. Clear as mud? All people who label themselves as “atheist” are not, by definition, atheists, because they all believe in the existence of God.

Dante Tremaine, Christian Theology 114 Comments [1/31/2011 4:49:31 AM]
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D Laurier

What the fuck?

1/31/2011 4:23:53 PM

Headache

I have never seen a god... I have never heard a god...

All gods I have ever been told about seem to only exist in books, hence it is reasonable to deduct that gods are literary instruments made up by the author.

1/31/2011 4:49:04 PM



I grew up in this kind of culture, where it seems unthinkable that people could deny the existence of the Being who is responsible for the existence of everything.

Then I grew up some more, but in this world, to say "there's no God" feels like saying "nothing exists". Dante Tremaine can't get his head round the idea that while existence may be a mystery, the claim that God created the universe doesn't actually solve anything. This is such a familiar argument that one must conclude Mr Tremaine has never actually had a conversation with an atheist or read an atheist article, and is mouthing off on the basis of complete ignorance.

1/31/2011 4:57:19 PM

clockworkcanary

Since you can't define just what the hell "god" is, or worse, you define it with contradictory properties, then it's safe to assume your "god" doesn't exist as whatever half-ass definition you give just implodes on itself.

1/31/2011 5:15:51 PM

NoriMori

@Mayhem: Love that pic.

@dionysus: That was an awesome and highly amusing analogy.

1/31/2011 5:17:03 PM

clockworkcanary

Edited to Add: Everyone was an atheist before being coerced. It takes some time, after birth for a human to develop those parts of the brain that deal with higher cognition, such as beliefs. <Cite: any Lifespan Development Psychology text -check the hard studies>.

Religion and god belief are learned behaviors -they must be taught. Funny how God himself never teaches humans -other humans do!

Everyone was once an Atheist.

1/31/2011 5:25:02 PM

John

His argument appears to be that atheists must be morons because they can't prove God doesn't exist. He offers as proof that God exists the old naive "tornado in a junkyard" argument. He admits that whether God exists or not would be irrelevant if God had no predictable or controllable effect on our lives. But he makes it clear that he doesn't just believe in God; he believes that we have individual control over this God by our behavior, and can affect how He personally treats us, based on some bronze age book written by humans. He ignores the fact that there are thousands of different opinions as to what, exactly, this God wants us to do.

1/31/2011 5:51:11 PM

shunyata

Fuck off, moron.

1/31/2011 5:54:51 PM

Shax

All people who label themselves as “atheist” are not, by definition, atheists, because they all believe in the existence of God.

You're unclear on the concept of what atheist means, aren't you?

1/31/2011 6:22:24 PM

Kisare

Gee, so I either don't know what I believe or I don't exist. Arrogant much, bitch?

1/31/2011 7:09:51 PM

Alencon

Huh?

Trust me, I do not believe in the existence of God. Granted, I admit I may be wrong, but I doubt it.

1/31/2011 8:05:48 PM

Iczer-four


1/31/2011 8:28:25 PM

Neith

First, he says atheists don't exist, because he doesn't believe that we really don't believe in the god that he believes in.

Throughout the rest of the article, he calls us nonbelievers.

Most people who read this will already have seen the problem here, but for any fundy who may happen by...

By using the term, "nonbeliever," he is admitting that we don't believe. Hence, he's admitting that we are atheists, by the very definition of the word.

1/31/2011 8:36:30 PM

Skyknight

Neith: Actually, "belief" can also be understood as "rely upon"; sort of a shorthand for "belief in God's efficacy/omnibenevolence/etc.". Thus, non-believer is understood here as one who does NOT rely primarily on God's will (or praying to slant God's will...) for everything. Again, what he calls atheist, is better seen as dystheist.

Just to clarify, "dystheism" regards that God exists, but should not be worshiped; "maltheism" posits that God exists, but is malicious. While a conjunction of the two is obvious, I can see how one could be dystheist but not maltheist (they think worship and omnipotence are actually corrupting God, and stilling the worship would heal his psyche). Be more worried about a maltheist who isn't a dystheist...

1/31/2011 9:05:52 PM

Dissonance

I've been squinting at this statement for about five minutes now and I'm still thoroughly confused.

1/31/2011 9:08:30 PM

HeathenAngel

Wow.. we got a dumb one, huh? Well.. actually, they're all pretty dumb.. but this one sticks out.

1/31/2011 10:34:55 PM

WMDKitty

Fail. Epic fail.

1/31/2011 10:42:00 PM

Rat of Steel

(Lpopman)
"Cheers Rat of Steel. Hmm, any relation to the Stainless Steel Rat?"


No. I came up with this screen-name before I'd heard of that.

1/31/2011 11:37:59 PM

Osiris

And what would be the motivation of these atheists? There are far more fun ways to go the Hell.

1/31/2011 11:51:07 PM

Nowonmai

Uhh, no.

2/1/2011 12:43:26 AM



It certainly is clear as mud, which I suspect is the main constituent of the mushy stuff contained in your skull.

2/1/2011 5:34:42 AM

Genki-chan

lolwut?

Atheists believe in God?

I dont even...

2/1/2011 7:55:03 AM



Atheist is a person who doesn't believe in the existence of a deity. They exist, whether you believe it or not.

2/2/2011 11:27:20 AM

Shadoboy

Yet another moron who thinks atheists arguing God is because they "know he's real but don't want to believe it".

2/5/2011 4:23:13 PM

Passerby

Dante here, and many others like him, literally cannot comprehend any thought process that does not function around a central absolute with which to base all judgement.

Be it belief in a deity or absolutes of good and evil.

Be it belief that science and reason explains absolutely everything.

Be it belief in karma, where your actions always come back in subtle ways.

Be it belief the ego and self determination.

To those who cannot function without an Infallible Truth, these become surrogates for their concept of God which they then project onto everyone else around them because any other way of thinking is just too alien for them to handle. It would literally drive them insane to remove that core dynamic and thus incapable of believing anyone else can function that way.

2/8/2011 10:51:21 PM
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