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The Founders are right, and Darwin is wrong. All things came into being through the work of a Creator God. They did not come into being through blind chance and the random collision of atoms. Even science says that matter and energy can neither be created nor destroyed. By scientific definition, then, both had to come from some source outside the universe. The teaching of origins in all our educational institutions should reflect this, and explore the implications for society if elected officials believe Darwin (survival of the fittest, might makes right, eugenics, Planned Parenthood, Adolph Hitler, six million dead Jews) rather than Moses.

Bryan Fischer, Renew America 102 Comments [2/1/2011 6:24:46 AM]
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Brendan Rizzo

Since when were the Founders creationists? There was some concept of evolution in their time, and they did not oppose it. Even if they did, so what? None of them were biologists.

The rest of this is standard creationist lies and libel.

2/1/2011 6:30:30 AM

arctic knight

If you had even the simplest understanding of evolution, you would realize it says absolutely nothing about abiogenesis nor the origin of the universe. Survival of the fittest does not promote eugenics, and your godwin reference is incorrect, Hitler was a Xian that banned the teaching of evolution in schools.

If everything must have a creator, then who created your god?

2/1/2011 6:35:05 AM

Etiene

Is that supposed to be a list of things Darwin believed or some sort of [il-]logical chain?

Also, 'by scientific definition': Mr Fischer would know scientific definition if he was beaten around the head with it. Though that might make him more coherent.

2/1/2011 6:38:28 AM

Beeblebrox

By scientific definition, then, both had to come from some source outside the universe.

By scientific definition:

1. The Universe is an infinitely large structure. Therefore there is no "outside".

2. There is no "before" the Universe. Quantum physics posits a No-Boundary condition. This is the requirement that the histories of the Universe are closed surfaces without a boundary.

See how much simpler things become when actual science is used to define things?

2/1/2011 6:51:43 AM

Tom S. Fox

Matter and energy can neither be created nor destroyed, therefore they were created. Brilliant deduction.

2/1/2011 6:55:42 AM

Blue_J

Look, another creationist who doesn't understand the "is-ought" problem!

2/1/2011 7:00:07 AM

Pff

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2/1/2011 7:02:53 AM

Mister Spak

"explore the implications for society if elected officials believe Darwin (survival of the fittest, might makes right, eugenics, Planned Parenthood, Adolph Hitler, six million dead Jews"

Nazi Germany outlawed abortion, homosexuality and the teaching of evolution, just like your elected teabaggers want to do. Explore the implications of that.

2/1/2011 7:04:09 AM

Doubting Thomas

Because the founding fathers were all scientists and studied mankind's origins in great detail rather than just parroting the popular belief of the day.

And BTW, the Decoration of Independence just says "creator," it doesn't say "God" anywhere. And even so, the First Amendment that those very same founding fathers put in the Constitution forbids teaching of creationism in public schools.

2/1/2011 7:04:39 AM

Canadiest

"matter and energy can neither be created nor destroyed.",,, But it can be changed. It's a little more than conveniant that everyone on your side omits that considering it's always been part of the working theory. That's called deception,it's all you people ever have.

2/1/2011 7:08:51 AM

jas43

Stupid
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Opinions

2/1/2011 7:12:48 AM

Dr. Shrinker

So the fundamentalists are re-making the image of the Founding Fathers into something more supportive of their religious and political ideas. I guess we shouldn't be surprised. They've been doing the same thing to Jesus since the movement was formed.

2/1/2011 7:17:16 AM

TGRwulf

- The founders were secular deists. NOT creationist Christians.

- Seperation of church and state, Treaty of Tripoli, etc.

- That's not how evolution works.

Shall I go on?

2/1/2011 7:28:40 AM



Darwin (survival of the fittest, might makes right, eugenics, Planned Parenthood, Adolph Hitler, six million dead Jews)

survival of the fittest: A very crude simplification of Darwin's theory.

might makes right: No, this is not a result of Darwin's theory. "Right" (and its converse, "wrong") is a morality concept that's only applicable in a human context. There is no right or wrong in nature; it is what it is, no more no less.

eugenics: This is also not a concept derived from Darwin. This is humanity twisting "survival of the fittest" into their own individual versions of what humanity should consist of considering race, intelligence, attractiveness, gender, etc..

Planned Parenthood: Considering PP came about only after Darwin's lifetime, he can hardly be "blamed" for their existence or operations.

Adolph Hitler, six million dead Jews: Ditto as Planned Parenthood.

2/1/2011 7:28:54 AM

JohnTheAtheist

Can I have some of your straw for my soda?

Also, please explain how god was created or are you going to give us the cop out that god is timeless?

Evolution is about biology only, not the cosmos you fucking tool. It is the only rational explanation that shows how complexity arose from simplicity.

2/1/2011 7:28:57 AM

Pule Thamex

Now, now, litle boy, there's no need to get worked up over nothing. Everything will be alright. Where's your Mummy and Daddy? Shall we look for them? Don't worry, when you are all growed up, you'll soon see that there's no need to deliberately tell naughty lies that only people addicted to a violent lifestyle and who are full of self-loathing will pretend to agree with. I expect when we find Mummy and Daddy that they'll help you and show proper concern for your future education, wont they?


2/1/2011 7:30:50 AM

Horsefeathers

"The Founders are right, and Darwin is wrong. All things came into being through the work of a Creator God."

They were rather busy fighting a war and creating a new country. I'm pretty sure they weren't pondering such ideas, nor did they make the detailed observations and studies that Darwin did. Given that--and the fact that I'm not delusional like you are--I'll have to agree with Darwin on this one.

"They did not come into being through blind chance and the random collision of atoms."

Nobody except the ignorant such as yourself says any such thing.

"Even science says that matter and energy can neither be created nor destroyed."

No. It doesn't. Matter is destroyed all the time. That's how nuclear reactors work, jackass. It's energy that can neither be created nor destroyed.

"By scientific definition, then, both had to come from some source outside the universe."

Did you hurt yourself when you took that leap?

"The teaching of origins in all our educational institutions should reflect this, and explore the implications for society if elected officials believe Darwin (survival of the fittest, might makes right, eugenics, Planned Parenthood, Adolph Hitler, six million dead Jews) rather than Moses."

None of those have the slightest thing to do with Darwin. And if you think Moses was such a hot guy, maybe you should actually read your Wholly Babble more closely.

2/1/2011 7:33:05 AM

John

What the hell difference does it make to us whether some god created matter and energy 14 1/2 billion years ago?

2/1/2011 7:33:16 AM



Oh look. You fuckheads compared evolution to Hitler...again.

Ya know, it really loses its impact after the hundred thousandth time.


2/1/2011 7:33:27 AM

Katherine Lorraine

It's sad how so many fundies don't actually know what Planned Parenthood does. They immediately see it as evil abortion clinic without realizing that they provide a lot more services:

Contraceptives, cancer screening, pregnancy testing, pregnancy counseling, STD testing, sexual education, treatments for menopause, and reproductive surgeries.

2/1/2011 7:37:48 AM

FMG

Founders also thought slavery is aye okay Mr. Fischer.

Adolph Hitler liked beer. Therefore all of us are like hitler....

2/1/2011 8:10:09 AM

Swede

Hey! Darwin died 40 years before what was later to be Planned Parenthood got started, and 50 years before Hitler took over in Germany. How the heck can he be responsible for what happened half a century after his death?

Plus, you have totally misunderstood ToE. It says "survival of the most adaptable", and "adaptation through random mutations and NATURAL selection".
Weeding out what you perceive as inferior species is hardly NATURAL, is it, Bryan?
And no-one believes in Darwin, we "believe" in the Theory of Evolution as it stands today. It has "evolved" many many times since the days of Darwin.

As the US of A has Separation of Church and State (but not Separation of Science and State), it can't believe in Moses.

2/1/2011 8:35:58 AM

Doctor Whom

1. Science has progressed just a little bit since the time of the founders, or so I hear.

2. Since the God of the Declaration of Independence and the God of the Bible have mutually exclusive characteristics, which one do you want us to follow?

3. Re Hitler and evolution: Lying for the Lord, lying for the Lord, Bryan comes rejoicing, lying for the Lord.

2/1/2011 8:40:27 AM

Jezebel's Evil Sister

Sigh. Another ignorant fundie (Is there any other kind?) who apparently thinks "survival of the fittest" applies to big, mean, strong animals that build up super abs through daily workouts at Jungle Gyms™.

Get it through your heads, morons: The term "survival of the fittest" refers to species being fit (i.e., best adapted) to survive within their environmental niche.

cf., "Might makes right" refers to how you stupid, stupid fundies justify your cruel, mega-stupid fundie god.

2/1/2011 8:55:42 AM

Lucilius

Legislators =/= biologists. Cosmology =/= social policy. Bryan Fischer =/= sane.

2/1/2011 8:56:56 AM
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