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[On an LGBT message board. Original post: "Screw Gay Marriage. Screw Marriage. Period. And make it civil unions for all. If people want to go and get married in a religious ceremony, good for them, but it shouldn't be recognized by the state any more than communion should be."]

America is a majority Christian nation, there is currently nothing wrong with the state recognizing marriages.

This is just a case of the jealous homosexual who wants nobody to enjoy such religious matrimony because they are unable to experience such feelings in their fake relation. Homosexuals always tell us that they aren't out to destroy marriage, I think anybody with half a brain can deduce the idiocy of this.

[Reply: "I think the 50% divorce rate in America has already pretty well gutted the holy institution of marriage. Gays and Lesbians just want the equal protection that come with the word."]

Divorce is an entirely different factor to 'gay marriage' so stop comparing them, by doing so you even admit that that it is undesirable.

Because many people enter unstable marriages we should further wreck our morals and values by letting gays marry/civil union??? This logic is so absurd, gays already have equal rights, you can marry the opposite sex just as I cannot another man. People are getting so sick of this constant moaning coming your kind.

onetimer, Reddit 37 Comments [2/6/2011 5:17:53 AM]
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Stop being so inconsequential. If marriage is for you a piece of paper, don't try to divinise it so to avoid other people do whatever they want with their status.

2/6/2011 5:37:45 AM

Anon

gays already have equal rights, you can marry the opposite sex just as I cannot another man.

This cartoon answered this sheer nonsense much better than I could here with 1000 words:


2/6/2011 5:46:58 AM

KR

"This logic is so absurd, gays already have equal rights, you can marry the opposite sex just as I cannot another man."

So, by this you mean gay people should marry the opposite sex and live in an awful unsatisfying marriage. Gotcha!

It's like me saying to you, that get a man for yourself. No, run along, and see how that works for you, since in your fundie world it's so easy to choose who you love.

2/6/2011 5:55:02 AM

aaa

This is one of the dumbest arguments ever.

2/6/2011 7:41:21 AM

Mudak

Actually, you could already argue, on pure separation of church and state grounds, that the bonds of holy matrimony and of legal matrimony ought to be completely separate.

We see this to a very minor extent with those religions that don't recognize divorce, such as the Catholics. The state will recognize the separation but the religion won't, as is their right.

2/6/2011 7:46:40 AM

I read about the afterlife

"America is a majority Christian nation"

That depends on if you want to include Catholics which you lot are always dead set against. So which is it?

"I think anybody with half a brain can deduce the idiocy of this."

But the rest of us with full brains manage to reason without resorting to ludicrous conspiracy theories. When gay people say "I want to marry my significant other" all that means is that they want to marry their significant other.

Oh and onetimer, you want to know something you can do that I can't? You can marry a person you love and are sexually attracted to. I can't. Ergo, there shouldn't be gender limitations on marriage.

2/6/2011 7:49:50 AM



"People are getting so sick of this constant moaning coming your kind".

I was thinking the same thing. Except we might have a different thing in mind for "your kind".

2/6/2011 7:53:46 AM

Horsefeathers

"America is a majority Christian nation, there is currently nothing wrong with the state recognizing marriages."

No. The problem comes when they try to "license" it, thus dictating who can, and cannot, be married.

Personally, I have no trouble with them documenting that a marriage has taken place by "registering" it or some such so that you're ensured tax and legal benefits. They should not be "licensing" any such thing though.

"This is just a case of the jealous homosexual [...] I think anybody with half a brain can deduce the idiocy of this."

And anyone with a full and functional brain (i.e., not you, apparently) can see that this reasoning is asinine. Whether or not the State sanctions marriage has no fucking effect on your "religious matrimony."

"Divorce is an entirely different factor to 'gay marriage' so stop comparing them, by doing so you even admit that that it is undesirable."

He (she?) isn't comparing gay marriage to divorce rates you imbecile. They're pointing out that your Holier than Thou attitude should be shoved in your ass because your "religious matrimony" angle is bullshit, as evidenced by the divorce rates.

"Because many people enter unstable marriages we should further wreck our morals and values by letting gays marry/civil union???"

No. Because everyone else can be married is why you should do it. Civil Rights apply equally to all, in theory anyway.

"This logic is so absurd, gays already have equal rights, you can marry the opposite sex just as I cannot another man."

This has to be the most ignorant bullshit that you people come up with.

"People are getting so sick of this constant moaning coming your kind."

The squeaky wheel gets the oil, as they say. Perhaps you should familiarize yourself with the Civil Rights movement a few decades ago to see how effective it is when enough people make enough noise about injustice.

2/6/2011 8:14:00 AM

Doubting Thomas

America is a majority Christian nation, there is currently nothing wrong with the state recognizing marriages.

I don't think so, either, but Christianity doesn't need to enter into it. But I do think they should recognize marriage for everybody.

This is just a case of the jealous homosexual who wants nobody to enjoy such religious matrimony

Wait, they want to get married also, but they don't want anyone to get married?

Homosexuals always tell us that they aren't out to destroy marriage, I think anybody with half a brain can deduce the idiocy of this.

I think it takes someone with half a brain to believe this.

Divorce is an entirely different factor to 'gay marriage' so stop comparing them, by doing so you even admit that that it is undesirable.

Way to dodge the issue. You fail to address the fact that divorce does far more to devalue marriage than allowing gays to get married.

This logic is so absurd, gays already have equal rights, you can marry the opposite sex just as I cannot another man.

And you're a total idiot if you can't understand that this is the whole problem. Why would a gay person want to marry someone of the opposite sex?

2/6/2011 8:54:42 AM

dionysus

This logic is so absurd, gays already have equal rights, you can marry the opposite sex just as I cannot another man.

I suppose that is equal rights in the same way that in the 50s an African American has the equal right to bleach his skin in order to have the same job opportunities as a white man. Or in the same way as in Medieval Europe Jews have the equal right to be Catholic.

2/6/2011 9:26:32 AM

Percy Q. Shunn

I think anybody with half a brain can deduce the idiocy of this.

Perhaps the most ironic statement ever.

2/6/2011 10:19:05 AM

Sisyphus

Oh there's idiocy here all right but it's coming from you!

2/6/2011 10:24:23 AM

Panz

"Divorce is an entirely different factor to 'gay marriage' so stop comparing them, by doing so you even admit that that it is undesirable."

translation;
"Don't point out the fault of my arguments because even though you are right, I am not wrong"

I'd say the huge divorce rate among straights ruins the "morality" of marriage you fuckers harp on all the time.

But hey, fundies without double standards wouldn't be fundies

2/6/2011 10:42:22 AM

Tolpuddle Martyr

"anybody with half a brain"

I infer from your comment that you only have half a brain, suspected as much.

2/6/2011 11:11:52 AM

111

I'm sick of the constant moaning from you fundies. Would it hurt you in any way if gays were allowed to marry? No, I didn't think so.

2/6/2011 11:21:55 AM

nazani14

America is a majority overweight nation, so I guess there's nothing wrong with persecuting people of healthy BMI. And models? Drive them into the sea.

2/6/2011 12:17:48 PM

GodotIsWaiting4U

Except that NO country should EVER go by a simple "majority rules" thing.

2/6/2011 12:38:27 PM

Mehop

If this guy isn't a Poe, he deserves to be sterilized.

2/6/2011 2:15:25 PM

Wehpudicabok

(Original post: "Screw Gay Marriage. Screw Marriage. Period. And make it civil unions for all. If people want to go and get married in a religious ceremony, good for them, but it shouldn't be recognized by the state any more than communion should be.")

Hear, hear!

America is a majority Christian nation, there is currently nothing wrong with the state recognizing marriages.

Except for, you know, it being expressly forbidden by the Constitution for the state to recognize an institution that even its promoters admit is fully religious. But other than blatant unconstitutionality, no, nothing wrong with it.

This is just a case of the jealous homosexual who wants nobody to enjoy such religious matrimony because they are unable to experience such feelings in their fake relation. Homosexuals always tell us that they aren't out to destroy marriage, I think anybody with half a brain can deduce the idiocy of this.

You go into a hospital, and tell a man who can't see his partner on his deathbed because the state denies him that supposedly fundamental human right, that he's just jealous. You go right ahead and do that.

Because many people enter unstable marriages we should further wreck our morals and values by letting gays marry/civil union???

No. Because many people enter unstable marriages, the claim that marriage is holy is invalid. Maybe you should listen to the other poster--you know, the one who can actually keep track of an argument. You might learn something.

People are getting so sick of this constant moaning coming your kind.

Are these the same people who have demonstrated a consistent increase in support for same-sex marriage? (See here. Admittedly not yet a majority, but we clearly will be soon.)

2/6/2011 3:24:39 PM

Sasha

How, exactly, does allowing gay marriage "further wreck our morals and values"? What possible effect will a gay marriage have on a straight marriage? 'Cause, honey, if your spouse leaves you for someone their own gender, your marriage was a sham from the start.

2/6/2011 3:26:21 PM



via etymologyonline:
"matrimony"
c.1300, from O.Fr. 'matremoine,' from L. 'matrimonium' "wedlock, marriage," from 'matrem' (nom. mater) "mother" + '-monium,' suffix signifying "action, state, condition."
Marriages used to be elaborate pagan ceremonies calling down blessings of the Goddess to help the woman soon be "in a motherly way." Look up the sad, violent history of xtians and marriage. They fought really hard against makin it a spiritual thing at all, and many early xtians like St. Augustine and St. Paul would have had pious men remain single and chaste forever, but if they MUST bow to their filthy flesh desires, marriage was the 'least worst' way to go about it.

2/6/2011 3:52:45 PM

arctic knight

Not allowing same sex marriage is unconstitutional and violates the equal protection clause. It is discriminatory based on sex. My wife can marry a man, but I am not allowed to marry a man because I am a man. That gives her a right, based on her sex, that I do not have. It is discriminatory and unconstitutional to allow her a right and deny me the same right.

2/6/2011 3:59:44 PM

breakerslion

Your religious marriage is just a ritual and not recognized without a Marriage License. Any difference it imbues is all in your head, like the rest of your fantasy beliefs.

"Divorce is an entirely different factor to 'gay marriage' so stop comparing them, by doing so you even admit that that it is undesirable."

Who said that first? Sounds like something attributable to St. Ludicrous of Pathos. The fact that there is no real sanctity to marriage for at least half of the people that enter into it is irrelevant to the allegation that same-sex marriage threatens that sanctity? Brilliant professor!

2/6/2011 4:11:46 PM

Old Viking

Incoherent whining.

2/6/2011 4:49:13 PM

Green

You'd gain the right to marry a man, too! Don't you want more rights? Or do you HATE FREEDOM?

2/6/2011 6:02:58 PM
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