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[Sikh children are permitted to wear a small, dull ceremonial dagger to school]

Yeah, let's see, six year old points his finger and goes bang
and he is hauled away in shackles to the Clockwork Orange
reprogramming facility, but the muslim kid can carry a
butcher knife at the ready in the classroom.

logosone, Rapture Ready 95 Comments [2/7/2011 4:08:30 AM]
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kiwimac

When did a Sikh = a Muslim? Never unless you're a doofus!

2/4/2011 7:43:25 PM

Alcari

Using "RReasoning", it's makes a lot of "sense".

Sikh = brown
Muslim = brown

Thus:
Sikhs = Muslims

2/7/2011 4:11:12 AM

Argle Bargle

He's brown and has a turban, ergo he's Muslim. Classic fundie un-logic.

EDIT: Alcari beat me to it.

2/7/2011 4:11:19 AM

panz

Maybe because thus far Sikh kids haven't gone off the handle and stabbed up a classroom or two?

2/7/2011 4:27:56 AM

Anon

I have to admit that logosone has a certain point.

(Lets just ignore temporarily the blatant ignorance "Sikh = Muslims", and that small ceremonial daggers aren't 'butcher knifes')

Handcuffing small boys for making "bang noises", or for cutting pistol-like shapes from paper in class (both incidents happened!), but on the other hand allowing symbolic weapons to be carried to school is double-standard behaviour.

The problem I see here: I'm quite sure that the ceremonial dagger was allowed because of religious reasons. So again: Once you play the "Religion card", suddenly it is much easier to enforce your will, and get things allowed which are forbidden for other people.

For example, there was an incident where a 16yr old wore a t-shirt in school with the dreaded anti-gay leviticus bible verse on it. He was ordered to remove his t-shirt, he refused and sued. In court, he did NOT argue with "free speech", but with "religious freedom". And he won the case.

This is the problem I see here: The unjustified preference of religion, and its privileged status in a secular society.

2/7/2011 4:37:10 AM

Pule Thamex

Different cultures, different religions, same humans (or human-like creatures).

The one religion is suited to a disciplined and meditative approach to life, believing that all people are worthy of truth and justice. Women have equal status to men in its ceremonies and all are welcome in its places of worship.

The other religion is suited to a mentally disturbed, hysterical, amateur dramatic attention whore that likes to stomp its foot petulantly. This religion's believer lives to persecute others and imagines all criticism of them or their religious ideals (or indeed of their political ideals) is actually persecution of them and their religion. Women are considered to be less worthy than camels, their main purpose being to screech ghoulishly while their menfolk shuffle disconsolately, all the while drooling copiously like feckless zombie bovines.

I wonder which one logosone is a member of?

2/7/2011 5:00:43 AM

Mister Spak

Towel on head=muslim terrorist. That retards like this are driving our anti-terrorist program explains why we're losing.

2/7/2011 5:04:46 AM

BeemerRefugee1990

Yeah, let's see, six year old human points his finger and goes bang and he is hauled away in shackles to the Clockwork Orange reprogramming facility, but the mutant kid can display his powers and have them always at the ready in the classroom.

Fixed that for ya.

2/7/2011 5:24:32 AM

Ken

I work with preschoolers. It'd be easier for one of them to do harm with a heavy block than a dull blade.

Was the six-year-old repeatedly harrassing or threatening someone before pointing a pretend gun? We take away fake guns all the time and don't have the kids arrested. Bullying, on the other hand, gets a phone call to parents.

2/7/2011 5:28:26 AM

shykid

That ceremonial kirpan is about as sharp as a butter knife. Seriously. It's the sharp-object equivalent of a toy gun. You'd do more damage beating someone with it than stabbing them with it, and that's something the kid can already do with pretty much any readily available blunt object. Get a grip.

2/7/2011 5:35:38 AM

Dawn

Can't get to RR to find out where the Sikh children are, but I did read this weekend that a 6 year old in the US (IIRC, Denver, CO?) had a 1 day suspension for bringing his toy Nerf gun to school. Zero tolerance, you know.

2/7/2011 5:40:42 AM



In our school, zero tolerance means a butter knife is confiscated and the kid is sent home. I remember a kid in my school getting this for a plastic knife for his orange.

Since, from what I hear, a ceremonial charm may be worn instead of a real dagger, I still don't understand why this conversation is still happening. School rules trump all religions, wear a damn charm and follow the rules.

2/7/2011 5:42:17 AM

Matante

This is attacking the wrong end of that double standard. It's the kid forming a finger-gun that you should demand not to be treated like a criminal, not every other kids that you should demand being treated as retardedly.

2/7/2011 5:53:05 AM

aaa

I really like it when asshats show their ignorance.

2/7/2011 6:02:08 AM

breakerslion

So you'd be happier if they were all allowed to carry toy knives?

Maybe you're just jealous that your religious trinkets and fetishes aren't that cool.

2/7/2011 6:38:25 AM

gaijinlaw

Obviously one must concede that logosone is an ignorant chapeau de cul, but why are Sikh children bringing dagger-like objects to school? Even when I was a young 'un I had to surrender my official cub scout pocketknife to the teacher at the beginning of the school day. If everyone was allowed to carry a blade fine, but I don't think you should get a pass by invoking your crazy-ass traditions.

Also, as mentioned by others, many Sikhs do just fine with the symbolic kirpan-shaped tie tack.

Also also, why did I think it was only adult male Sikhs who were required to go about strapped?

2/7/2011 6:42:32 AM

MarylandBear

Zero tolerance policies are stupid, but not as stupid as the idea that "Sikh == Muslim".

(If you look at the thread, several people do point out the error.)

2/7/2011 6:46:10 AM

TGRwulf

So because a non-muslim kid can wear a tiny ass DULL dagger to school it means Muslim kids can bring in butcher knives? o_O What?

2/7/2011 6:49:18 AM

Brendan Rizzo

Now now, he actually has a point. Who knows if some crazy and disturbed kid will try to use that as a weapon? However, as soon as he said that Sikhs are Muslims, he revealed his stupidity.

2/7/2011 6:59:17 AM

Doubting Thomas

Muslim, Sikh, who cares? They're all evil brown people who don't believe in Jesus.

And what would a good, God-fearing rapturite know about A Clockwork Orange? It's an evil, worldly movie with boobies.

2/7/2011 7:02:32 AM



Stupid way of putting it, but I gotta go with the crowd that says he kinda has a point on this one.

2/7/2011 7:06:03 AM

Jezebel's Evil Sister

We just recently had a quote from a fundie about the horrors of Catholic kids carrying rosaries and crosses/crucifixes. Obviously, the solution is to implement the fundie dress code for school children - a straitjacket, so they can't carry or reach for anything that might be dangerous and a blindfold and earplugs so they won't see or hear anything that might be evil.

Sure, they'll grow up ignorant, isolated and probably psychotic. But that's the fundie way!

2/7/2011 7:22:41 AM

Horsefeathers

That's an awful lot of hyperbole for one sentence to carry.

2/7/2011 7:29:49 AM

dionysus

Ignorant, hysterical, and greatly exaggerated but still asomewhat valid point. We shouldn't give people special privileges just because they belong to a particular religion. Either having (dull) daggers is okay for everyone (obviously aside for people with extreme mental disorders, violent criminal backgrounds, or other legitimate limitations) or it's okay for no one. On the other side, a threatening posture (even with an obviously fake weapon i.e. a finger shaped like a gun) demands attention, but only if it's used as a threat not if they're playing cops and robbers.

2/7/2011 7:45:42 AM

Aghast

I was suspicious of this story just because it originally came from FOX News so I researched it with a five second Google search. Yes, the Sihk kids can take a kirpan to school. However the kirpan is subject to the following rules:

--Any kirpan worn at school must be sewn inside a sheath in such a way that the blade would not be removable from the sheath.

--The blade of the kirpan would be restricted in length to no more than two and one-fourth inches.

--The blade of the kirpan must be dull.

--The kirpan cannot be worn outside clothing and cannot be visible in any way.

--Staff members will not conduct random searches; however, students who violate any of the conditions will be subject to discipline including prohibition of wearing the kirpan to school in the future.

From: http://plymouth-mi.patch.com/articles/gurdwara-sahib-opens-its-doors-to-the-community-2

So, even though the fundie makes a big deal out of this it really isn't that big of a deal. Certainly, Sihk children can't carry a "butcher knife at the ready in the classroom".

Not only was the fundie ignorant in his confusion of Sihks with Muslims he was also ignorant in that he took Fox News at face value.

2/7/2011 8:00:56 AM
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