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You damn communists!

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Well, I don't know much about her, but at the beginning of the video, the dude made a stupid comment that "creationism is solely a religious belief, therefore not to be taught in school and that evolution is widely accepted as fact, and should alone be taught."

Sorry, that is incorrect. You must first of all present the information of both sides, and let the young people exercise their critical thinking skills. Let them make up their own minds! I do! We don't live in a communist society (yet) but if we keep teaching students theories as though they are facts, we will certainly end up in a totalitarian situation.

rockpilefarmer, IDigMyGarden 108 Comments [2/21/2011 5:55:55 AM]
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nutbunny

Sorry, you're incorrect. Creationism is solely a religious belief. Evolution is widely accepted as fact.

2/21/2011 6:00:01 AM

Dan Onymous

I don't suppose there's any danger of you listing the opposing information to creationism that you want taught?

2/21/2011 6:01:42 AM

StoneSpiral

Get some proof of Creation, and then we can talk about presenting 'both sides'.

2/21/2011 6:06:27 AM

From the frozen north, Death cometh

"You must first of all present the information of both sides, and let the young people exercise their critical thinking skills."

I think this is already happening. Every piece of relevant information is being presented... that's why they only have evolution in science class.

Young people should be free to exercise critical thinking, but the information presented to them should be valid and truthful, not fairy tales and mythology. There is nothing critical about creation research.

2/21/2011 6:19:26 AM

TGRwulf

We have the facts, we win.

2/21/2011 6:23:10 AM

snide

it must be hard for rockpilefarmer, spending his life farming something more intelligent than him.

but let's just repeat the obvious:- "creationism IS solely a religious belief, therefore not to be taught in school and that evolution IS widely accepted as fact, and should alone be taught."

2/21/2011 6:23:36 AM

C_V


I am SO sick of this "just a theory" bullshit. firstly, a scientific theory is wholly different from one of your own theories. secondly, it is the theory OF evolution, not the theory THAT evolution. we know evolution takes place, the TOE is the how, not the if!

2/21/2011 6:35:19 AM

aaa

I don't think you understand just how full of shit you really are. Have you tried even using those shrunken brains at all?

2/21/2011 6:41:03 AM

Dr. Razark

Well, I guess that about wraps it up for teaching the theory of gravity, then.

2/21/2011 6:51:48 AM

Creedence Leonore Gielgud

Please cite one non-religious person who supports creationism as a valid science, and not merely as examples of free speech, or religious freedom. It's ok, I'll wait.


2/21/2011 6:54:09 AM

Z

And what about lightning? Telling me about charges and clouds and stuff? That's just communism if it is allowed to be stated unchallenged! Teach the controversy - THOR'S HAMMER CAUSES THUNDERSTORMS!

Don't be a pinko liberal communist Nazi totalitarian, oppressing my valid religious views! We need to teach Norse Paganism in every science class, right now, otherwise kids aren't hearing the whole story.

2/21/2011 6:54:32 AM

breakerslion

This always amazes me. Farmers have been using selective breeding for centuries, but somehow, some of them can't grasp the concept of natural selection.

2/21/2011 6:58:13 AM

dionysus

Students aren't the ones who get to decide what is and is not science, they are in school to learn. That's why they're fucking STUDENTS. We leave deciding the facts up to people who actually research their field for a living and get their information peer-reviewed by other independent people who also research their field for a living. What you're suggesting is just like asking students to decide if 2+2 is 4 or 6 and treating both as equal options.

2/21/2011 6:58:58 AM

Doubting Thomas

Sorry, but scientific facts should not be left up to a vote by students. The very problem is that young school children are not able to use critical thinking skills that well and generally just believe what the teachers tell them, and fundies know it. This is why they brainwash children as much as possible in Sunday school.

Which, if you want to be totally fair, if you're going to make them show religious beliefs in the classroom, then you should be forced to have atheists teach opposing views in your Sunday school.

2/21/2011 7:00:53 AM

Berny

If creationism was even remotely valid as a scientific concept, there would be evidence for it. There isn't. It is therefore a religious concept and doesn't belong in a science class.
It does, however, belong in a mythology class where it can be compared to other creation myth of ancient superstitious people.

2/21/2011 7:04:46 AM

Tempus

We don't let medical students make up their own minds whether the Germ Theory of Disease or the 4 Humours Theory of Disease is the correct one. We don't let high school students decide if they want to believe in the Periodic Table or the Alchemical Theory of the Elements. So why should we let them make up their own minds if Creation or Evolutionary Descent with Modification is correct?

High School isn't the place to debate what's science and what's not, so no, you don't get to teach your pseudoscience there.

2/21/2011 7:07:40 AM

Orion

"We don't live in a communist society (yet)"

Communism vs Capitalism, teach the controversy!

2/21/2011 7:09:41 AM

Canadiest

And what "imformation" does the creationists belief have?
Religious imformation, unsubstantiated stories from 2000 years ago. Do you wait till your children have "critical thinking skills" before you introduce them to your religion so they can " make up their own minds"?
Hell no! Soon as they start to get some verbal comprehension you start the indoctrination and demand they believe WITHOUT QUESTION.

Huge hypocrites, incredibly two-faced. You inforce an adherance to a church then dare speak of "a totalitarian situation"

2/21/2011 7:15:05 AM

Nowonmai

Creationism is the epitome of religious belief. It has no basis in reality. It's not even a theory.

2/21/2011 7:30:54 AM

John

You must first of all present the information of both sides, and let the young people exercise their critical thinking skills.

First, there is no scientific controversy - only a political one. But would you want schools to attack the Bible and tell students about all the discrepancies? Do you want to point out that there is nothing other than the Bible itself to support creationism? Do you want to give students the tools to do critical thinking, such as explaining the "personal incredulity" fallacy and the use of ad hoc hypotheses? Do you want to tell the students dozens of creation stories from all the different religions and let them use their "critical thinking"?

Hell, no! Religious people would be at the school with pitchforks and torches screaming "First Amendment". They only want the First Amendment ignored when it tells them to STFU and keep their religion at home and church.

2/21/2011 7:34:59 AM

Horsefeathers

"Well, I don't know much about her, but at the beginning of the video, the dude made a stupid comment that "creationism is solely a religious belief, therefore not to be taught in school and that evolution is widely accepted as fact, and should alone be taught.""

If the guy made a stupid comment you could have at least quoted it so that we could all mock it.

"Sorry, that is incorrect."

No. Actually, it's about as correct a statement as I've ever seen.

"You must first of all present the information of both sides, and let the young people exercise their critical thinking skills."

Isn't that what life is for? I was under the impression children were sent to school to actually learn facts so that they could later use critical thinking to know when someone is shoveling bullshit their way.

"Let them make up their own minds!"

That's not how school works, jackass.

"We don't live in a communist society (yet) but if we keep teaching students theories as though they are facts, we will certainly end up in a totalitarian situation."

I don't think you know what "communism", "totalitarian" or "fact" actually mean. Someone probably just showed you the words and let you make up your own mind about what they meant.

2/21/2011 7:38:29 AM

Reverend Jeremiah

Creationism - religion
Evolution = biology
Creationism =/= biology

giving equal time to creationism will cut biology class in half, and it is not about teaching "both sides" because:

#1 - Creationism is just one of MANY creations stories. Why should we give yours preference over all of the others. equal time should include them as well
#2 - Biology class is to teach FACTS, not FAITH.

2/21/2011 7:45:31 AM

Matante

Students should be encouraged to exercise critical thinking skills on topics that actually have more than one valid option.

2/21/2011 7:50:40 AM

Shanya Almafeta

Theory: Cohesive set of observable, proven facts about a subject.

Your move, Rockpilefarmer.

2/21/2011 8:05:31 AM

Swede

Students don't get to vote on what to learn. They learn science in science classes and religion in religion classes.

If you have any valid scientific information regarding creationism, why don't you present it?
Come to think about it; why didn't you present that information during the Kitzmiller vs Dover trial? Behe & Co seriously needed some real information at that time.

2/21/2011 8:06:25 AM
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