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You damn communists!

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Well, I don't know much about her, but at the beginning of the video, the dude made a stupid comment that "creationism is solely a religious belief, therefore not to be taught in school and that evolution is widely accepted as fact, and should alone be taught."

Sorry, that is incorrect. You must first of all present the information of both sides, and let the young people exercise their critical thinking skills. Let them make up their own minds! I do! We don't live in a communist society (yet) but if we keep teaching students theories as though they are facts, we will certainly end up in a totalitarian situation.

rockpilefarmer, IDigMyGarden 108 Comments [2/21/2011 5:55:55 AM]
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katie5000

"...the dude made a [strike]stupid[/strike] comment that "creationism is solely a religious belief, therefore not to be taught in school and that evolution is widely accepted as fact, and should alone be taught."

Fixed. And "the dude" is right.

EDIT: Bah! How the hell do you put lines through stuff??

Also, young people are capable of critical thinking skills, but they must be cultivated. I was lucky to have parents that were willing to cultivate/encourage mine.

2/21/2011 12:34:56 PM

Joe Mama

Yeah, Christians always want both sides presented when it's their side that's being left out. But you'll never see them allowing atheists to debunk Christian beliefs after the Sunday morning sermon. That would be heresy.

Don't most churches have Sunday brainwashing sessions just for kids? Why not teach your ideas to your kids there? Oh, right, you want my kids taught about biblical creation, too, and I don't send them to your church.

2/21/2011 12:48:20 PM

Robin

Holy non-sequitur, Batman!

2/21/2011 12:49:52 PM

Jedi Knight

No, you just want your hypothesis to be taught in school without doing any actual science. Sorry, it doesn't work that way.

2/21/2011 12:51:19 PM

John

@katie5000 - use s and /s instead of strike and /strike.

2/21/2011 12:53:47 PM

Old Viking

We taught our boys the pros and cons of honesty and crime. Turned out to be a mistake.

2/21/2011 1:02:53 PM

rikalous

@FMG: Scientific theories are not any steps below laws. Theories and laws are different beasts. Theories offer an explanation of why things happen, while laws say what will happen under certain conditions.

2/21/2011 1:45:16 PM

lisamariefan

I agree. Let's give time to the cosmic turtle story of creation.

2/21/2011 2:32:06 PM

Skatepunk

I will never see why fundies are so hateful of evolution. You can still argue the first creatures came from God, can't you? There's a reason that I believe in evolution as well.

2/21/2011 2:32:09 PM

DinosaurRidinJeebus

1) A theory is a fact.

2) There is two sides to every issue but only one is right. Do you want us to teach the fundamentalist muslim version of 911? That is tell the kids that maybe it was the right thing to do because that is what they believe.

3) Until you get a degree in biology keep your fucking mouth closed.

2/21/2011 2:40:36 PM

Brendan Rizzo

@ Anon2:

Funny, but I have a feeling that that isn't the real reason. I don't see how religious denominations trying to compete with each other for members would cause fundamentalism, which would seem to be antithetical to getting new members, to become prominent. There must be something else that we're both overlooking...

2/21/2011 2:54:17 PM

feralboy12

If anyone is having trouble understanding why a farmer would be so ignorant about selection, notice that he's been farming rocks. 'Nuff said.

2/21/2011 3:02:44 PM

spam hammich

If you don't learn about creationism in school the commies will come in the night and steal your penis.

2/21/2011 3:19:44 PM

TheJebusFire


2/21/2011 5:17:24 PM

Raised by Horses


2/21/2011 5:26:49 PM

WWWWolf

> You must first of all present the information of both sides, and let the young people exercise their critical thinking skills

Okay. How about this deal:

1) Put "all points of view" in the textbooks. Scientific material, creationism, what-have-you.

2) When designing tests and exams, only ask if the kids have succeeded finding the gems of truth from among all of the crap you've tried to feed them. If they wrote about scientifically verifiable stuff, their critical thinking skills are obviously in working order. If they babble about nonsense that can't be verified by scientific means, it's rejection time.

Of course, this means more material for the poor kids to go through, but obviously, this accomplishes your stated goal of teaching kids to think critically and finding the scientifically viable theories they need to understand to comprehend the world.

2/21/2011 5:33:46 PM

breakerslion

Part II

"You must first of all present the information of both sides..."

Okay.

Evolution: Libraries full of documents, experiments, and results, supported by independent findings in Biological Science, Anthropology, Archeology, Paleontology, Medical research, etc.

Creationism: One book written by ignorant and dishonest old f__ks, supported only by anecdotal evidence, that we believe because we were told to.

Decision?

2/21/2011 7:20:20 PM

JohnTheAtheist

What the fuck are you talking about? Evolution is way more than a simple fact, you stupid douche.

One other thing. Which creation story should we be teaching?

2/21/2011 8:13:50 PM

nazani14

Gravity is just a theory! It's actually intelligent falling - god is pushing you down!

2/21/2011 8:26:28 PM

Alencon

The only problems are:

(1) Creationism IS Religion and not science. You can teach them whatever you want at home or in church, but in science class we teach science.

(2) There IS no information on the Creationist side. It has ZERO supporting evidence.

(3) It is critical that students get taught what science is before they can exercise a reasonable judgment on scientific issues. That's what science class does.

(4) In science, Theory doesn't mean a hunch or guess as in does in colloquial speech. In science a Theory contains explanations for the observations & facts associated with some aspect of the natural world.

(5) As far as science is concerned, evolution IS a fact.

2/21/2011 9:03:54 PM

freako104

"You must first of all present the information of both sides, and let the young people exercise their critical thinking skills."


Ok then. We will do that. We will present both sides. However, be aware that evolution has been observed.


And what does communism have to do with any of that and do you even know how a hypothesis becomes a theory?

2/21/2011 9:40:11 PM

LionLedByDonkeys

Splitting hairs maybe but a theory is not a fact it is an explanation of OBSERVED facts ,in this case the variation of species over time .A scientific theory is abandoned when a better explanation is found, e.g the Phlogiston theory.

The theory of evolution better explains the origin of species and the evidence of their variation than does creationism.

The theory of evolution is not,strictly speaking, itself a fact and would be abandoned by science if facts which contradict it were ever discovered, or a better theory were to be formulated.

2/21/2011 11:56:47 PM

farpadokly

@Brendan Rizzo: Here in Europe we already had our "funadamentalist" period; the Middle Ages. What did it take to get rid of it? The Renaissance, the Reformation, the Enlightenment, the French revolution, the other secular liberal revolutions of the nineteenth century, and several centuries of cruel, devastating wars.
I think that a sort of puritanical biblical literalism is preserved in America after it has long since died out in Europe is closely related to the idea of "American exceptionalism", the idea of the United States as a special, God-favoured place, and that the American heartland has been remote from political and cultural developments in Europe since the nineteenth century which have tended toward secularism. This is also the reason why jingoistic nationalism can flourish in a much more open way than it does in Europe.

2/22/2011 12:27:49 AM

Justanotheratheist

Observable fact vs made-up waffle. A tough choice.

Of course religion wouldn't be religion if its adherents didn't want to poison young minds with bullshit at every available opportunity, but in the real world creationism has no business in the classroom. It is pure fiction, and very bad fiction at that - and there are numerous versions of it, to boot.

2/22/2011 12:51:55 AM

Brain_In_A_Jar

Let them make up their own minds!

We don't let them make up their own minds how to spell. We don't let them decide how to do arithmetic. We don't let them decide who won WWII. We don't let them make up their minds whether atoms exist. We don't let them dispute that the world is spherical.

Why the special treatment when it comes to evolutionary theory?

2/22/2011 1:43:21 AM
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