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All forms of human government are flawed. Democracy worked in America for years because we were a just , moral, christian nation. However, as the founding fathers said, it is ill suited for any other type of people. As America has become more secular, we have degenerated into what we have now. A debt ridden , morally corrupt country that will soon collapse. The right to vote is a powerful weapon, and just like a fire arm, in the wrong hands it can lead to catastrophe. The bad thing about a democratic election in the hands of a radical islamic regime is that it will give it legitimacy. The rapture is coming soon, and the Christ rejecting world will soon get the leader they want.

time4me2fly, RR 60 Comments [2/24/2011 5:35:48 AM]
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Xotan

The dispalcement of the native Americans and stealing of their land was just, moral and Christian?

And surely where the constitution guarantees the right to bear arms the possibility of guns being in the wrong hands is an oxymoron.

"The bad thing about a democratic election in the hands of a radical islamic regime is that it will give it legitimacy." - Can someone please explaing this to me. I understand it to be pure gobbledegook.

As to the Rapture, Jesus said he would return in the lifetime of some of those to whom he was speaking. He didn't. Why then should there then be a rapture based on the lunatic meanderings of a saint who must have been pushing 100 years old. That was VERY old for those times. Also, the Rapture is a mid 19th century invention. No one had considered it before Miller. and orthodox Christianity considers that reveleation ceased in the 1st century of our era. Go figure!

2/24/2011 5:59:16 AM

rds77

"However, as the founding fathers said..."

Uh oh, here it comes...

"it is ill suited for any other type of people."

Yup, citation SERIOUSLY needed...

2/24/2011 6:06:51 AM

Matante

Maybe these guys have a Lincoln mask they pass around so whenever they need to appeal to authority they can convince themselves the founding fathers said it.

2/24/2011 6:20:58 AM

DavidS

"...it is ill suited for any other type of people."

Did they say it in unison?

2/24/2011 6:27:44 AM

Canadia

That's all fine and good, but as we both know, Jesus said he personally didn't really care to rapture anyone and was probably just going to hang out on his cloud and watch mexican wrestling. Easy enough quote to find, read some stuff, somewhere.

2/24/2011 6:58:36 AM

dionysus

Democracy worked in America for years because we were a just , moral, christian nation.

No, Democracy worked because it was based on everyone, no matter what their religious background, getting their say. That was the theory behind it anyway, in practice bigots and fundies always held entire groups of people back and we have yet to even be anywhere near the same time zone as an ideal Democracy. For one thing an openly gay, Muslim, Pagan, or atheist politician has less chance of being president than a chihuahua has of beating up a pit bull.

As America has become more secular, we have degenerated into what we have now. A debt ridden , morally corrupt country that will soon collapse.

Oh fuck you! Your supposed "good conservative Christians" got us into two wars, sucked money out of the lower and middle class straight into the pockets of people that were already rich, and have fought every ounce of progress both political and scientific and yet you want to blame secularism for that? Seriously, fuck you.

The right to vote is a powerful weapon, and just like a fire arm, in the wrong hands it can lead to catastrophe.

Yeah, for one thing you wind up with a retarded president for two terms, two wars, and an economic mess that his successor is having trouble dealing with.

The rapture is coming soon, and the Christ rejecting world will soon get the leader they want.

Oh stop trying to give us false hope already. It's demoralizing. You keep promising to get raptured every other week and then that week comes and you're still here and still fucking around with other people's rights. Even as a Chicago Cubs fan I've lost my patience for this rapture you keep promising.

2/24/2011 7:00:36 AM

Doubting Thomas

OK, please explain to me why democracy only works with Christianity. I mean, democracy means giving each individual a say in what his/her government does, regardless of his/her beliefs or ideas. Christianity, on the other hand, requires strict adherence to a set of rigid rules which people don't get to change if they don't agree with them, but rather just have to accept them because that's what their Great Leader, God, wants.

2/24/2011 7:32:57 AM



Complaining about being debt-ridden? So does this mean this guy is actually a fundie that doesn’t get a boner over Reagan?

2/24/2011 7:36:12 AM

Jezebel's Evil Sister

"All forms of human government are flawed."

I've got a big old book that says otherwise:

Romans 13:1 Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.

Romans 13:2 Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation.

Poor time2flyme, damned -- but too damn stupid to realize it.

2/24/2011 7:45:23 AM

Horsefeathers

"All forms of human government are flawed."

Well, yes. That's because we're rather complex critters.

"Democracy worked in America for years because we were a just , moral, christian nation."

Please explain the ancient Greeks then. You know, those Pagan worshiping, orgy loving, unjust (by your standards, I presume) ancient Greeks.

"As America has become more secular, we have degenerated into what we have now. A debt ridden , morally corrupt country that will soon collapse."

I'm sorry. Who was running the place prior to the guy now in office? I forgot.

"The right to vote is a powerful weapon, and just like a fire arm, in the wrong hands it can lead to catastrophe."

So, we shouldn't let the "wimmin's" and "da nigras" vote no more? Is that what you're getting at?

Of course, we'd also have to add "da Mooslims" too. Wouldn't want anyone but fine upstanding white Christian men to vote, now would we.

Unfortunately, most of them are either in prison or on parole and can't vote anyway so I'm not sure who you expect to show up at polls other than a bunch of secular, liberal, communist, Nazi atheists.

"The bad thing about a democratic election in the hands of a radical islamic regime is that it will give it legitimacy."

I'm sure I don't have a clue what the fuck you're talking about.

I'm equally as sure that you don't have a clue what the fuck you're talking about.

"The rapture is coming soon, and the Christ rejecting world will soon get the leader they want."

Yes, yes. Any day now.

Any day...

2/24/2011 7:51:33 AM

Blue_J

Xotan: Can someone please explaing this to me. I understand it to be pure gobbledegook.

He's saying that democracy in predominantly Muslim countries is bad, because the Muslims will, of course, democratically institute Sharia-like social practices.

2/24/2011 8:10:59 AM

Tardis

< However, as the founding fathers said, it is ill suited for any other type of people >

This is a lie...This is a bastardization of a quote from John Stuart Mill - a BRITISH philosopher, economist, moral and political theorist who wasn't even born until 1806.

You fail history forever...

2/24/2011 8:12:57 AM

farpadokly

It angers me that people have the nerve to indulge in this kind of self-serving historical revisionism. The founders were not a bunch of Christian fundamentalists. Their philosophy could be described as Enlightenment rationalism.
And the arrogance of deciding who is fit to vote and who isn't! And the nonsensical conflation of democracy and radical Islam!
How can people believe such nonsense.

2/24/2011 8:24:10 AM

aaa

I don't think you can handle democracy.

2/24/2011 8:25:45 AM

Anon-e-moose

"All forms of human government are flawed. Democracy worked in America for years because we were a just , moral, christian nation. However, as the founding fathers said, it is ill suited for any other type of people."




'Religious bondage shackles and debilitates the mind and unfits it for every noble enterprise, every expanded prospect'

'In no instance have... the churches been guardians of the liberties of the people'

-James Madison


'I do not find in orthodox Christianity one redeeming feature'

'There is more need for lighthouses in our country than churches.'

'But it does me no injury for my neighbour to say there are twenty gods or no God. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg.'

'Question with boldness even the existence of a God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason, than that of blind-folded fear'

-Thomas Jefferson

PROTIP: That Constitution you lot have - the very basis of your country? You've clearly never read it. Otherwise, if you had, then ypou'd notice something: nowhere in said Constitution is there so much as one mention of a 'God', 'Jesus', or even 'Creator'. Go ahead. Search for a webpage with the entirety of the US Constitution, then click on 'Find', then type 'God', 'Jesus' and 'Creator'. I think the result will blow your claim(s) not just right out of the water, but the space-time continuum as a whole. Coupled with the above quotes by two of the Founding Fathers who drew up said Constitution. Consider both. Then you do the maths

I love the smell of annihilated arguments in the morning. Smells like... victory.

2/24/2011 8:32:43 AM

TGRwulf

Citation needed for, well, just about everything.

2/24/2011 8:36:28 AM

Misty

Really? What is Jesus's economic plan?

2/24/2011 8:48:16 AM

vaiyt

>>All forms of human government are flawed.

No shit, Sherlock.

>> The right to vote is a powerful weapon, and just like a fire arm, in the wrong hands it can lead to catastrophe.

Why don't you just be honest and say "all those diffrunt people should not vote because they might elect someone I don't like"? That bullshit ain't foolin' anyone.

>> The bad thing about a democratic election in the hands of a radical islamic regime is that it will give it legitimacy.

A radical islamic or christian regime is not likely to be much democractic.

2/24/2011 9:08:14 AM

pete

Um, there are many democratic nations on the planet and many of them do not have "our kind of people". Heck! The Ancient Greeks who invented democracy didn't even practice any sort of monotheism and they had olive complexions.

Also. I know better than to expect consistency from Raptards but, if the Rapture is comming soon, why in Hell do they give a rat's ass about politics? Are they afraid that Jesus won't let them on the Rapture Bus because someone else isn't "holy" enough? Frankly, I have no respect for a religion that condemns anyone for the actions of another.

(NOTE: I have no use for any religion but that's not really the point.)

2/24/2011 9:16:28 AM

Philbert McAdamia

and the Christ rejecting world will soon get the leader they want. <

Hurray!!! 's about time. WooHoo!

2/24/2011 9:31:18 AM

sandchigger

A debt ridden , morally corrupt country that will soon collapse.

So, this being RR, we should have another two thousand or so years left in us?

2/24/2011 9:33:41 AM

Brendan Rizzo

When did the Founding Fathers say that? I'm pretty sure that democracy can work in non-Christian nations. Look at Sweden (majority atheist) for instance, or for a country which was never even historically Christian, Japan.

Now, the question remains whether or not these Jasmine Revolutions will be successful in the Middle East and North Africa. If they are, then good for them, and all is well. If they aren't, though, then I think we'll have to conclude that the region is simply incapable of being democratic. But I hope that that is not the case.

2/24/2011 10:56:22 AM

freako104

"Democracy worked in America for years because we were a just , moral, christian nation.
"


Um...We aren't a Christian nation. If we were we'd be a theocracy. Which is far different from a democracy.


"s America has become more secular, we have degenerated into what we have now"

A constitutional republic? Where more people have more rights than they did before because they are equal and entitled to the same rights as others?

"A debt ridden , morally corrupt country that will soon collapse. "

Much of the debt is because of right wingers more than left wingers. Morally corrupt? Because we accept others for who they are? A true morally corrupt society would have been under Torquemada. You know the Spanish Inquisition? Rome collapsed after Constatine converted and made Christianity the religion.


"The right to vote is a powerful weapon, and just like a fire arm, in the wrong hands it can lead to catastrophe"


Alright, now you have just proven that "in the wrong hands" means that you'd be willing to take the right to vote away from others. I guess that you just contradicted your first statement. Also you may have a point. I mean we got 8 years of Bush


. "The bad thing about a democratic election in the hands of a radical islamic regime is that it will give it legitimacy."


Remember the theocracy I mentioned? yeah. That would go AGAINST the Islamic regime. Nice fail there







2/24/2011 11:09:38 AM

Berny

The right to vote is a powerful weapon, and just like a fire arm, in the wrong hands it can lead to catastrophe.

It lead to eight fucking years of George W. Bush, the clusterfuck of Iraq, and a massive worldwide recession precipitated by financial irregularities in the USA.
So I guess you're right, but not the way you thought.

2/24/2011 11:24:23 AM

Often Partisan

"All forms of human government are flawed. Democracy worked in America for years because we were a just , moral, christian nation. However, as the founding fathers said, it is ill suited for any other type of people."

Sweden would like a word with you.

"A debt ridden , morally corrupt country that will soon collapse. "

Republicans got America into this mess. Before Reagan came to power, America was the biggest creditor in the world. After Reagan's time in office, America was the biggest debtor in the world. (I believe I read this in Calvacoressi's World Politics Since 1945 9th Edition if anyone wants the source - even if I'm mistaken there's no doubt Reagan contributed massively to America's debt.)

2/24/2011 11:25:36 AM
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