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Islam is not a religion. Islam is a totalitarian way of life and it starts with a legal system call sharia law. It is then a financial system, it is a military system, it is a government system, I mean it's a geo-political system and that is hard for us to deal with, the fact that Islam is not a religion and does not deserve First Amendment protections.

In 2004, in Annandale, Virginia we discovered a false basement in a man's home there. It turns out he was the operations officer for the Muslim Brotherhood in America. They went through all of the things in this false basement and they discovered a five-phase plan to take over America. And as you look at the plan, and it's on the web, you'll see that they are in the latter stages of phase three and moving into phase four very quickly. And they've done this just since the early Sixties when they came to this country and it is difficult for Americans, for Westerners as a whole, to understand that Islam is not a religion.

The Muslim Brotherhood was started in 1928 in Cairo. They didn't do very well in the first decade, they only had about 800 members but then along came a guy named Adolf Hitler and Adolf Hitler began to fund the Muslim Brotherhood. That's when he made the arrangements with the Mufti in Jerusalem and that's why, during World War II, the Jews couldn't return to that area because Hitler was funding the Muslim Brotherhood to keep the Jews from coming back.

William G. Boykin, Right Wing Watch 84 Comments [2/24/2011 5:44:09 AM]
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Anon

Apart from the crap in the final paragraph about Hitler supporting the Muslim Brotherhood, this is a technically accurate description of fundamentalist Islam.
A man called Ed Hussein wrote a book called "The Islamist" about his own experiences with radical Islam, mostly Hizb-ut-Tarir, one thing he keenly stressed both during his time with them and after, was that Islam, when taken to it's extremes (or when just taken seriously, as the Hizb would term it) is indeed a religious, legal, financial, military and political system, with no compatibility whatsoever with western/democratic values.
That doesn't mean that mainstream Islam is the same, in fact it is not.
The only "fundie" thing about it is lumping all Muslims into the extremist group, which is obviously unfair, but many people on this board do the exact same thing with Christians, I know I do in moments of frustration.

2/24/2011 4:08:01 PM

katie5000

Wow...check out some of the comments on the blog that Dr. Whom linked to. So many frothing crazies...and they only help the blogger prove his point. >_>

As for the OP: Drugs - just say no.

2/24/2011 4:29:38 PM

The Jamo

From dictionary.com...

Is·lam –noun

1.the religious faith of Muslims, based on the words and religious system founded by the prophet Muhammad and taught by the Koran, the basic principle of which is absolute submission to a unique and personal god, Allah.

2.the whole body of Muslim believers, their civilization, and the countries in which theirs is the dominant religion.

Also called Muhammadanism.

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QED, bitch.

2/24/2011 4:34:13 PM



new bogey man time for America

2/24/2011 4:49:06 PM

Alencon

Huh? What?

Just because Mohammad Amin al-Husayni (the Mufti of Jerusalem) saw Hitler as a potential ally in establishing a Palestinian state doesn't make Islam a non-religion.

2/24/2011 5:14:20 PM

lisamariefan

Isn't this more CSTDT?

2/24/2011 5:35:17 PM

Argle Bargle

The Protocols of the Elders of Mecca.

2/24/2011 5:50:29 PM

Fanatic-Templar

Surprise Godwin!

2/24/2011 8:10:31 PM

jaaaaack

hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha, I laugh :D this cracked me up and made my night. Also makes me load my gun.

2/24/2011 8:43:08 PM

Random Guy

So, bigotry turns into complete conspiracy WHARRGARBL and then we get a rare glimpse of the Ninja Godwin.

Yeah, this is seriously warped.

2/24/2011 10:02:21 PM

Jt

Paragraph 1: Bullshit. Not only is all of that crap wrong, but even if it were true, then they would still deserve 1st amendment rights.

Paragraph 2: I smell bullshit.

Paragraph 3: Wow, a Godwin that is completely inaccurate! I've never seen that before! Also, why the hell would an anti muslim like Hitler want to fund the Muslim Brotherhood? He had his armies in that area, so there was no need for the anti-settlement for the Jews! Why would he fund an organization that would likely join the allies against him!?

2/24/2011 10:07:58 PM

David F Mayer

The association of Hitler with the Muslims during WW2 is quite accurate.

http://www.educationnews.org/breaking_news/106849.html

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1676132/posts

http://christianactionforisrael.org/antiholo/arabnazi.html

http://www.militantislammonitor.org/article/id/2543

http://thehive.modbee.com/node/23232

hitler muslim connection
gets About 926,000 results (0.08 seconds) on Google. Many of them are quite well documented. Try it yourself.

2/24/2011 11:05:07 PM

Orion

I'm reading it and I'm all like; "yeah this is pretty crazy" and then BOOM! Godwin out of fuckin' nowhere!

2/25/2011 7:05:04 AM

pete

What's this? No mention of commies, gays, cannibals, socialists, or Methodists?

On a more serious note: During WW2 most European Jews were in camps, in hiding, or in the Soviet Army. Even if they were not there was no way for them to travel through the war zones between Europe and Palestine.

2/25/2011 3:25:51 PM

Zits

When a Fundy Christian looks at a Muslim Fundy, it's like a cat looking at itself in a mirror.

2/25/2011 4:06:32 PM

DevilsChaplain

@David F Mayer

There was a connection between the Nazis and people like the Grand Mufti. Hell, there was even an Islamic division of the Waffen SS. However I'm sure we can do better than Free Republic, Christian Action for Israel and Militant Islam Monitor for sources.

2/25/2011 5:30:41 PM

whatever

@Jt
"Also, why the hell would an anti muslim like Hitler want to fund the Muslim Brotherhood? He had his armies in that area, so there was no need for the anti-settlement for the Jews! Why would he fund an organization that would likely join the allies against him!?"

Er, Hitler had Muslims drafted into the SS! OK that was in Eastern Europe, not Cairo, but it shoots your argument that Hitler was anti-muslim.

2/25/2011 5:54:48 PM

arcturus

Ok, lets make something clear. In some countries, sharia law is law. In non-muslim countries, some muslims pledge to abide by it.

It is a means of settling disputes. If it's not "common law", then both parties have to agree to have their case heard by a sharia judge using his (koranic, so bullshit) wisdom to adjudicate.

It's a means of settling disputes. You can turn up with absolutely anything and the judgement is made entirely based on right and wrong rather that prior precedent or specific findings.

We should have such a thing. It's free for a start. And lawyers don't get a penny, and lawyers earning money is good in my book.

2/26/2011 5:40:13 AM

FMG

Actually, If I remember correctly... Hitler you say? I believe prior to WW2 he was encouraging jews to leave to Israel by being a douche to them and this caused a lot of jews to say "Screw you! I am going to Israel" (There may have been more Oi Vehs in there)

2/26/2011 8:02:27 AM

Radagast

Is it wrong that I was pleasantly surprised by the variety shown here? Hitler funding Islam, rather than being a secret Catholic monk or whatever? It's nice to see a little creative variation.

2/26/2011 8:10:21 AM

HazelHolly

Pfff... usual fundy/tinfoil rantings... why do I even...

"...but then along came a guy named Adolf Hitler..."

WHAAAAAT?! Where did THAT come from?! Seriously, that's one hell of a twist, I'm impressed.

2/26/2011 11:01:05 AM



How much fail in history?. I just stoped when he said that Adolf Hitler funded the Muslim Brotherhood.

2/27/2011 4:25:22 AM

Drax

Meh. He's partly right on some points. Islam is an ideology, a way of life, true enough, and sometimes it can be a pretty fascist one when you look at the position in many Muslim societies on things like homosexuality, for example. But Islam is clearly first and foremost a religion, unless the definition of religion has changed without my noticing. And hard-line Christians are every bit as intolerant as hard-line Muslims, so this is a case of the pot calling the kettle black.

Of course there are Muslim crazies who want to take over America and the world, but at least in the US, there are a lot more Christian crazies who want to do the same thing.

I'd have to check on whether Hitler funded the Muslim Brotherhood or not. I know he did express admiration for Islam, but just because Hitler liked or admired a thing doesn't automatically make that thing bad. Hitler was a vegetarian, does that make vegetarianism bad?


2/27/2011 3:10:53 PM

Angua

The first paragraph of this was just wrong. And the the second paragraph was even more wrong with an extra helping of bizarre paranoia. The third paragraph built upon said wrongness and bizarre paranoia, added Godwin's law, and took a running jump off a cliff into the oceans of insanity.

I don't even know what to say to the second and third paragraphs. How do you even respond to that sort of insanity? The first paragraph, however, is wrong without descending to the depths of complete random madness, so I think I can deal with it.

Islam is not a religion.
I sympathize with the fact that it can be hard to find a definition of the word "religion" that encompasses everything we view as religions. I understand that people sometimes use slightly different definitions of the word. However, having looked at a couple of online dictionaries, I'm going to go with the first definition of religion provided at dictionary.com:

--"a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, especially when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency or agencies, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs."

Do any of these apply to Islam?

According to Islam, God caused the universe to exist, God sustains the continued existence of the universe, and the purpose of existence is to worship God. God is a single being above and beyond all other beings. God is above and beyond nature (in other words, supernatural). Islam has devotional and ritual observances -- from Ramadan to praying five times a day, facing Mecca. Islam gives a moral code governing human affairs. Whether or not this moral system given by Islam is necessarily good is certainly something subject to debate, but it definitely provides a moral code that's meant to govern human affairs. You mention Sharia law yourself in the very next sentence.

2/27/2011 4:03:21 PM

Angua

Islam is a totalitarian way of life and it starts with a legal system call sharia law. It is then a financial system, it is a military system, it is a government system, I mean it's a geo-political system and that is hard for us to deal with,
Again, this applies to extremist Islam. I agree completely. But not all Muslims are extremists. It does not apply to the sort of Islam practice by moderate and liberal Muslims. And even if this statement was universally true, it would doesn't contradict anything in the definition of religion. None of this would stop Islam from being a religion.And yeah, extremist Islam is a problem and difficult to deal with. However, you and other extremists Christians seem intent on exacerbating it.

the fact that Islam is not a religion and does not deserve First Amendment protections.
It follows the definition of religion I quoted from dictionary.com. It follows nearly all other definitions of religion I was able to find. Islam is a religion. Islam is not only a religion but the both the world's second largest and fastest growing religion. Even if Islam was not a religion, even if it was simply a political belief or philosophy, it would still be protected under the First Amendment. The First Amendment is not just about religion. It doesn't matter how despicable your beliefs are, you are still allowed the freedom of speech and press and assembly. We allow those First Amendment rights to plenty of non-religous ideologies. The only thing you could do by saying that Islam is not covered under the part of the First Amendment that deals with religion is destroy the separation of church and state as it applies to Islam. So you want to open the doors and let Islam into the government? You want to live under Sharia law? Look, move to Iran if that's really what you want. If not, go and read the First Amendment! And try opening a dictionary while you're at it.

2/27/2011 4:08:56 PM
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